Peter & Succession (Understanding the Church Today)

Ignatius Insight ^ | 2005 | Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

[unspun]

Then why does it say to obey those who have rule over you as they are watching out for your souls? And I might add you're in for little trouble with St. Paul here about representation of Christ. "For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ." 2nd Cor. 2:10

Jesus taught that we are to forgive (pardon) all, as Christ died to pardon all. Jesus and his Apostles also taught that all sanctified ones (saints, those who accept and believe in Christ) are "in Christ." We are all priests, as Peter explained (1 Peter 2:5,9).

Please cite the Scripture reference, for your first statement.

[marajade]

I've already posted I mean JC with respect.

[Petronski]

Only God forgives sins. I will refer you to Matthew 16:18-19.

18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

[marajade]

"Only God forgives sins."

Who do you confess your sins to?

[Petronski]

I've already posted I mean JC with respect.

If meant with respect, could you refer to Jesus Christ as anything you wanted, so long as was meant with respect? Could you call him your Magical Savionator, if you meant it with respect?

[Petronski]

I will refer you again to Matthew 16:19.

[FJ290]

If you believe that scripture is contradicting itself then you are wrong because scripture can't contradict itself.

Careful because Scripture does contradict itself. A really glaring example is in St. Matthew "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremias the prophet, saying: And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was prized, whom they prized of the children of Israel." St. Matthew 27:9

That should have been applied to Zacharias 11:13

We have to accept that throughout the OT and the NT there are some differences. It doesn't mean that the Bible isn't God's word, but that there have been some human errors in it due to translations/language differences.

[PleaseNoMore]

No you don't. There's not one shred of respect in nearly anything you've posted especially in the use of the Lord's name. And, BTW, His name commands MORE than "respect". It commands reverence. It is a holy name, set apart from from any other and you cheapen and demean it by shortening it in such a negligent manner.

[marajade]

So you confess your sins to God?

[DouglasKC]

Oh, by the way, why not post the entire sentence, so we can see the entire context of Paul's statement:
5: For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: 6 Who gave himself a redemption for all, a testimony in due times.
No one claims the Pope is a mediator for redemption, nor should they.
But as Christ appointed him, so shall he and his successors lead.

Well if you're really interested in context, let's look at the context:

1Ti 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men,
1Ti 2:2 for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

There's a good reason that Paul mentioned "kings and all in authority" before saying that "one man, Jesus Christ" is the mediator between God and men. It was to make the point that we don't need men to mediate between God and men.

Christ is also the only high priest we need:

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such a high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

[marajade]

"There's not one shred of respect in nearly anything you've posted especially in the use of the Lord's name."

In what post?

[Petronski]

The language of 16:19 could not be more plain, troll.

[FJ290]

I'm just reading this thread and had no plans to even post, but I must say this. I am a Protestant. I attend a non-denominational church. That's just for the record. With that out of the way, I must say, replacing the most Holy name, the Name above all names, the name of our King and Risen Saviour with the initials "JC" is extremely offensive and downright disrespectful. His Name is to be revered. If we treated His name with the reverence it deserved, we would bow in worship to it every time it was spoken. Please, do not make the name of Jesus out to be no more than "JC". His name is so much more than that. If you were only aware of the holiness of and the power within His name....

Beautifully spoken. Thank you.

[marajade]

What book?

[Petronski]

It was to make the point that we don't need men to mediate between God and men.

That doesn't follow at all. You're stretching mightily, but falling.

[PleaseNoMore]

In quite a large number of them. It's actually painfully embarassing to read them. I am surprised that our Catholic brethren have entertained them with replies for as long as they have.

[Petronski]

You can't read. You can't read post 663 or post 666.


Or you're a lying troll.


Which is it?

[marajade]

Point them out specifically. Thank you.

[adiaireton8]

My point was that praying for someone does not contradict the claim that there is "one mediator between God and man". Likewise, having bishops in the Church does not contradict the claim that there is "one mediator between God and man". The New Testament itself shows that the Apostles appointed bishops in the various churches. The one mediator between God and man" passage is fully compatible with the existence of Apostles, bishops, and popes.

-A8

[Petronski]

I'm done for the night. I only feed this troll so that her ways can be seen by all.

Her disingenuousness, her disrespect for the Holy Name, well they're plain for all to see now.