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Posted on 10/19/2006 12:19:52 PM PDT by Global2010
History.
He did not. He empowered them. "Whatever you bind on earth I will bind in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth, I will lose in heaven". Powerful stuff.
I hold the Bible the final authority
Is this superstition of yours in the Bible anywhere?
I'm not Catholic
Only you can fix that problem.
My history says they are living in Heaven.
It is truly amazing how our Protestant friends profess following the scripture, yet engage in wildest speculation out of their own minds about what the prayer of Catholics is or is supposed to be.
Jesus clearly criticized the scribes and Pharisees for making men's alterations to the law of Moses and God's law. The Catholic church does the same.
As a Christian brother I'm commanded by Paul to chastise practices that are against the Gospels. I've done so. Whether you continue in non-Biblical paths is your choice.
Is this superstition of yours in the Bible anywhere?
Jesus said that He is the truth and the life, and no one comes unto the Father but by HIM. That throughly leaves out the saints whether corporate or discorporate.
But it's your choice through God's gift of freewill.
Where do you see anything at all about saints, in or out of the body, in Jesus' statement?
That he did.
The Catholic church does the same
That she doesn't.
That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.[...]
17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. 18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.
(Matthew 16 and 18)
Jesus said that He is the truth and the life, and no one comes unto the Father but by HIM.
Yes, He did, and this is why the Church teaches so.
That throughly leaves out the saints whether corporate or discorporate.
No, it doesn't. This is your lay opinion, but it is not what the Church teaches and the Catholics believe.
I am still waiting for the biblical proof of your "I hold the Bible the final authority" superstition.
I think it is true.
Blessings to you.
Because the church teaches it, and it is not found in the scripture, makes it a very feeble conjecture.
The Catholic church errs, and errs mightily. Whether it is your error is your choice.
What final authority can there be for Christians? Paul warned of false doctrines to be preached that did not agree with what is said in the Gospels, doctrines that sprang from the machinations of men, like, for instance, ecumenical councils of the Catholic church.
The church errs greatly. It is not your error unless you consent to it.
What is obscure or tiny in the "bind and loose" passage?
How is that biblical proof of sola scriptura coming?
Blessings to you.
The Church, of course, the "pillar and foundation of truth".
17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. (Mt 18)
How is that biblical proof of sola scriptura coming?
I will believe the words of the Apostles over the those of a ecumenical council. The council may have one or more homosexual sodomites on it, not to mention any number of corruptible men.
If you hold to their sayings, that's your blood; I'm clean. I've advised you as a fellow Christian, and have done my duty.
Would you mind giving a verse reference?
I gave you a direct and clear scripture that states, in the words of Christ that the Church is to be obeyed.
Naw, it means worshipper of the god Apollo.
Christ is to be obeyed, correct. It were words of Christ that I cited to you.
I looked up what I thought you might be referring to in the Epistles, but did not find anything that says what you imagine to be the case: that if something is not found in the scripture, it cannot be taught.
The warning about adding to the Canon of scripture is in the Apocalypse, not Paul's epistles.
The reason I am pressing you for a quote is because you are not the only one being evasive when asked about the sola scriptura. I am quite used to the tactics.
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