Posted on 09/18/2006 1:51:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
it would be well to remove the inaccuracies to which Coyoteman responded.
they ARE inaccuracies.
they have been decisively corrected.
MANY, MANY TIMES.
Posting uncorrected inaccuracy may be considered ignorance or a statement of faith.
Posting thoroughly debunked inaccuracy is mendacity.
Leaving thoroughly debunked inaccuracy on the board while removing links to its debunking at best bears the appearance of tacit approval/support of mendacity.
Protecting blatent stupidity because it is based in faith demeans faith and equates religion with falsehood.
If Coyoteman would like to rephrase and repost without the personal remarks, I'll be glad to forward the removed posts to him via Freepmail.
Sorry.
Fair enough. My apologies as well.
YOU can see that...
I can see that...
The wonder of it all is just how many are (or seem to be) unable to see that.
And, really, doesn't such protectionism in the name of mere banal politesse just add that little extra sour to the whole puckerful experience?
Would you please do so? Thanks.
I would argue that repeated iterations of long-debunked falsehoods are themselves "precursor to a flame war" and are similarly worthy of extirpation.
But I'm not the Mod here.
Your call.
ah, well... the cat demands food, and to my chagrin my cupboard is bare.
it is off to the quickiemart I go.
good enough time to sign off, anyway.
'nite.
I am out of here as well.
Have a good evening.
Here are some links which may help the lurkers see where the accuracy of any statements on this subject lie:
ReligiousTolerance.org Carbon-14 Dating (C-14): Beliefs of New-Earth CreationistsThe American Scientific Affiliation: Science in Christian Perspective Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective by Dr. Roger C. Wiens.
This site, BiblicalChronologist.org has a series of good articles on radiocarbon dating.
Are tree-ring chronologies reliable? (The Biblical Chronologist, Vol. 5, No. 1)
Tree Ring and C14 DatingHow does the radiocarbon dating method work? (The Biblical Chronologist, Vol. 5, No. 1)
How precise is radiocarbon dating?
Is radiocarbon dating based on assumptions?
Has radiocarbon dating been invalidated by unreasonable results?
Radiocarbon WEB-info Radiocarbon Laboratory, University of Waikato, New Zealand.
I have done quite a bit of radiocarbon dating, and I would be happy to answer any questions FRers have on the subject.
http://www.grisda.org/origins/51006.htm
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I took a look at the article.
The first third of it examines the ramifications for radiocarbon dating based on a global flood. There is absolutely no evidence for a global flood. There is a tremendous amount of evidence that there was no global flood.
The next major section deals with the absolute upper limits of the radiocarbon method. This is the area where contamination from any source will yield measurable results. I find this argument to be unconvincing. If you want radiometric results in that age span you use other methods than radiocarbon, and they work quite well. But the article ignores all other methods of radiometric dating.
In essence, the article is saying that at the extreme upper limits of the radiocarbon method you start to get flaky results, so we have evidence of a young earth. This is absolutely false. Any method has its limits, and trying to extend the radiocarbon method to 100,000-300,000 years is way beyond the limits any scientist would currently propose for radiocarbon.
This article conveniently ignores several other radiometric methods which work very well in that age range and provide evidence that the early really is billions of years old.
All in all, I find that this article contains dishonest research. It misinterprets several well established scientific methods, includes the entirely unsubstantiated global flood as a correction mechanism, and ignores evidence which disproves its main point. Thats about as dishonest as you can get. I suppose that is par for the course in apologetics, but it is not acceptable in science.
I have not studied the Turin Shroud articles so I have no clue yet on that one.
Please read the links I posted earlier.
I see that in citiing a link, you've resorted to the old bait and switch of the evolutionist: providing scientific proof of environmental adaptation by a species and attempting to claim that this somehow provides proof of the descent of all life from a single common ancestor over billions of years.
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