Darwin on the Right: Why Christians and conservatives should accept evolution

Scientific American ^ | October 2006 issue | Michael Shermer

[Dimensio]

- I have PERSONALLY found SEA-SHELLS on MOUNTAIN TOPS and IN DESERTS, HOW did they get there apart from a global flood?

- I have PERSONALLY found fossils of sea-creatures on MOUNTAIN TOPS and IN DESERTS, apart from a global flood HOW did they get there?

Continential upheaval. That is how mountains are formed.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

- I have PERSONALLY found fossils of sea-creatures on MOUNTAIN TOPS and IN DESERTS, apart from a global flood HOW did they get there?

From when the tops of mountains were underwater, before tectonic shifts pushed them up. And from when the deserts were the floor of oceans.

[RadioAstronomer]

- I have PERSONALLY found SEA-SHELLS on MOUNTAIN TOPS and IN DESERTS, HOW did they get there apart from a global flood?

- I have PERSONALLY found fossils of sea-creatures on MOUNTAIN TOPS and IN DESERTS, apart from a global flood HOW did they get there?

Here ya go:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC364.html

[Between the Lines]

It is not logical to suggest that the number of "hits" on a general event in a Google search can be used to determine the number of times that said event has occured.

I never suggested that. Did you read my post? Here it is again:

Try a google search for "evolution fraud" and you get about 9,960,000 results. Use "science fraud" and you will find about 20,700,000 results! Try "religious fraud" and you will get 3,130,000 results. Do you see a trend here?

No the trend I am trying to get you to see is not that there are more reports on scientific fraud than on religious fraud. It is that there are numerous reports of fraud on all sides. There are just too many people that are willing to further their cause by any means.

You seem to have a preconceived notion that scientific thought is of a higher standard or more virtuous than others. We are all human and we are all fallible. There are honest and dishonest men in all camps.

My point was that there is dishonesty on all sides of this issue.

[dread78645]

..and 1856 is still waaaaaay earlier than the evolutionary Mythology about it.

That's when it was found, not when he died.

You are mispeaking.

Also, lava at the top of one of Hawaii's volcanos was dated by carbon dating to be MILLIONS of YEARS old when the HISTORICAL record PROVED it to be from the 19th century!

A. Carbon dating is not used on in-organics.
B. Carbon dating can indicate dates to maybe 50,000 years; Not the "MILLIONS of YEARS" that you claim.
C. The Potassium-Argon dating that was used on the Hualalei lava flow showed dates on unmelted basalts rocks dating from 140 million years to 2.9 billion years. (See "Deep-Ocean Basalts: Inert Gas Content and Uncertainties in Age Dating, Science 162:11 Oct 1968 pp 265-266).

You are mispeaking. (again)

- This same carbon dating was used on a LIVE, i.e. LIVING mullusk and the mullusk was dated to have been DEAD OVER 100,000 years!!!

A. 100,000? see point B above.
B. Actually it was 27,000 years.
C. It is the well known reservoir effect of aquatic animals that otherwise take up limestone or other sources of "old carbon". Radiocarbon dating of marine animals is rarely, if ever, used unless there is a known calibration curve for that particular spot of water.

You are mispeaking. (once again).

[King Prout]

geologic uplift, upheaval, and subsidence
plate tectonics
rifts

you can't be a real creationist - none of them are quite so full of *every* cliche and debunked creationist fallacy.

I suspect you are an alternate/retread, here to deliberately make creationists look insipid by apeing their worst lunacies at high volume.

a poorly-kept secret: they don't need that much help in appearing insipid.

[Dimensio]

- This was published in the 1970's. I can't remember the journal's name, but the claims it made I repeated as were.

That you are unable to provide an actual citation suggests that you are not remembering the claims accurately.

[King Prout]

nicely done.
do you share my suspicion about this poster?

[satchmodog9]

Some would be a more accurate word.

[Dimensio]

You were asked in a previous posting to Please document "many" instances of "present" "evolutionists" who "have all the answers figured out" and are "bending facts every which way to make things come out the way they want.".

Referencing the number of hits from a Google search on the phrase "science fraud" does not address this request. It appears that you are instead attempting to change the subject.

[Jaguarbhzrd]

Mispeaking placemarker

[Celtjew Libertarian]

It's not human history when there is no humans there. Heck, at first there isn't even a sun or planets to mark the passage of time.

Therefore, it is 12-24 hours as God experiences it.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

An random, accidental transmutation of simplicity to compexity. Of non-life to LIFE. HOW does THAT happen? HOW CAN THAT happen?

Random yes. Accidental no. How can it happen? Because God created the system to work that way.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

I am a graduate of Bible College, and went to another for expanded ed. on Counselling. I've read the Bible through many times since 1976

Isn't pride a sin?