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Darwin on the Right: Why Christians and conservatives should accept evolution
Scientific American ^ | October 2006 issue | Michael Shermer

Posted on 09/18/2006 1:51:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

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An earlier article, also from Scientific American, caused a bit of consternation in creationist circles:
15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense.
21 posted on 09/18/2006 2:02:01 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Science-denial is not conservative. It's reality-denial and it's unhealthy.)
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To: Walkingfeather

To be fair, the Bullshit! episode in question specifically addressed only selected stories from the Old Testament, not the Bible as a whole or even the New Testament at all.


22 posted on 09/18/2006 2:02:13 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Scientific American has slipped increasingly leftwards for many years.


23 posted on 09/18/2006 2:02:17 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: PatrickHenry

Believing evolution is fine for those who reject God's revelation of Himself, create God in their own image, and thereby feel comfortable in worshipping their own creation.

Romans 1


24 posted on 09/18/2006 2:03:09 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: The Blitherer
Can any Christian who believes in evolution please explain one thing to me...at what point between apes and humans did God decide to give humans a soul? Was it a specific generation, ie. a mother and father weren't given souls, but their children were? Or did the soul evolve along with the ape-men?

Still waiting...

25 posted on 09/18/2006 2:03:22 PM PDT by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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To: PatrickHenry

Gen 1:1 In the beginning G*D created the heaven and the earth.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools


26 posted on 09/18/2006 2:03:35 PM PDT by US Navy guy
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To: wideawake
Evolutionism, unlike Christianity, does not inherently favor liberty - in fact, it undermines the concept.

Please justify this claim.
27 posted on 09/18/2006 2:03:37 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: PatrickHenry
No offense intended, but one could write a more convincing case for why Christians should include the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the trinity.

This article is a little one dimensional.
28 posted on 09/18/2006 2:03:46 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (You can do that, and be a whack-job pedophile on meth.)
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To: The Blitherer

There are a lot of things the Bible doesn't discuss. That's one of them.

But there are others... Like where did Cain & Able get their wives?


29 posted on 09/18/2006 2:04:14 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: scottdeus12

There is not necessarily a conflict between Christianity and evolution as a matter of simple historical record. There is a conflict insofar as God has given us the Genesis account for a reason, and has not asked us to dwell on evolution. Therefore, regardless of whther evolution happened in history, God has asked us to reflect on the Genesis account, so that is what we should do.


30 posted on 09/18/2006 2:04:24 PM PDT by dinoparty
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To: PatrickHenry

Interesting article saw on this issue from the Orthodox Jewish perspective:

How does Judaism's claim that the world is roughly 5,700 years old coincide with science?

by Mrs. Sarah Levi

Torah and science can never contradict each other, because two truths cannot be contradictory. When we find an apparent contradiction between the two, it is generally due to a misunderstanding regarding what one is saying.
Science cannot really prove the age of the universe. All that scientists can do is speculate about the age of the universe by extrapolating from observed phenomena. No scientist alive today can say that he or she has first-hand information regarding the beginning of the universe.

The Torah tells us how old the universe is.

Science tells us how old the universe seems to be.


The scientist that does not believe in G-d has no reason to assume that the age of the world is different than what it appears to be To give a simple example: how old was Adam when he was first created? Was he a baby? Young man? Old man?

Our sages tell us that he had the body and maturity of a 20-year-old man. Now, let us imagine Adam going for a medical exam a day after he was created. The doctor asks for his age and he answers: “one day”. “You must be kidding me,” she would reply. “You seem to be at least 20 years old!”

They are both right. Adam is saying how old he really is, while the doctor is estimating his age based on “scientific proof.”

The scientist that does not believe in G-d has no reason to assume that the age of the world is different than what it appears to be. The one who believes in G-d, however, can perfectly accept the fact that the world was created in a mature state and therefore does not contradict the fact that it is really younger than it seems to be.


31 posted on 09/18/2006 2:04:29 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: srweaver
Why Christians and conservatives should NOT accept evolution.

If they accept macroevolution they believe God is a liar.

Or alternatively they believe that the Bible isn't as easy to understand as the crystal-clear physical evidence of common descent.

This is a sectarian dispute between certain brands of Christianity, the scientific evidence being absolutely unambiguous.

32 posted on 09/18/2006 2:04:40 PM PDT by Thatcherite (I'm PatHenry I'm the real PatHenry all the other PatHenrys are just imitators)
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To: The Blitherer

...I'm waiting also.....Don't think there are any takers, though.......


33 posted on 09/18/2006 2:05:05 PM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: DungeonMaster

Holy carp, that was funny. I feel like a huge dork for getting it, though.


34 posted on 09/18/2006 2:05:56 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: dinoparty
There is not necessarily a conflict between Christianity and evolution as a matter of simple historical record. There is a conflict insofar as God has given us the Genesis account for a reason, and has not asked us to dwell on evolution. Therefore, regardless of whther evolution happened in history, God has asked us to reflect on the Genesis account, so that is what we should do.

God hasn't asked us to dwell on quantum mechanics or atomic theory either. Best throw that PC away, it is based on Godless scientific theories.

35 posted on 09/18/2006 2:06:35 PM PDT by Thatcherite (I'm PatHenry I'm the real PatHenry all the other PatHenrys are just imitators)
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To: Thatcherite
This is a sectarian dispute between certain brands of Christianity, the scientific evidence being absolutely unambiguous.

Very true:

The "Clergy Letter Project". 10,000 clergymen endorse evolution.
Faith and the Human Genome. By the director of the Human Genome Project, a Christian. Excerpt:

I think scientist-believers are the most fortunate. We have the opportunity to explore the natural world at a time in history where mysteries are being revealed almost on a daily basis. We have the opportunity to perceive the unraveling of those mysteries in a special perspective that is an uncovering of God's grandeur. This is a particularly wonderful form of worship.

36 posted on 09/18/2006 2:06:39 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Science-denial is not conservative. It's reality-denial and it's unhealthy.)
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To: The Blitherer

Don't hold your breath.


37 posted on 09/18/2006 2:06:47 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: srweaver

Why can't God write in symbolic ways? (You seem to be boxing Him in by saying that either he is lying or he meant the Genesis account to be simple historical fact.)


38 posted on 09/18/2006 2:07:58 PM PDT by dinoparty
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To: Brilliant
Actually, if you believe there is a distinct difference between man and animal, in that God created man (and woman) in his own image, then yes, the Bible is very explicit in that area. However, if you believe man evolved, then there is no distinct difference between man and animal and an argument for the soul cannot be found in the Bible.

As for Cain and Able, they weren't Adam and Eve's only children. They probably "married" their sisters.

39 posted on 09/18/2006 2:08:01 PM PDT by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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To: dinoparty

"Therefore, regardless of whther evolution happened in history, God has asked us to reflect on the Genesis account, so that is what we should do."

Yes, but the Genesis account states that Adam was made from the dust (or dirt) and Eve was created from his rib. It doesn't state that we were created from apes.....


40 posted on 09/18/2006 2:08:36 PM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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