Posted on 08/19/2006 4:40:57 PM PDT by Quix
Excellent statements. Thanks.
I don't know how many God will consider to seriously earnestly worship God Almighty from their hearts. Thankfully, HE DOES KNOW ALL OUR HEARTS.
I hope none are consciously worshipping a demonic moon god. Demons do exist. And, they are skillful at winding folks up toward violence.
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I don't think so. Doesn't sound like disagreement, to me.
It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five pillars of Islam, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and as you will see on the following page, it is still not standard on flags used in the Muslim world today.
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I said it was no accident. The above statement affirms that. It's entirely plausible to me, that the demonic forces involved in those symbols being worshipped as false gods in ages past influenced their choice to represent Islam at the time About.com noted they were CHOSEN (no accident) to represent Islam.
About.com doesn't, per se, say anything about that, pro or con. It does affirm that those symbols were used in worship of what we all would likely describe as false gods in a number of areas of that region prior to Islam.
Jehovah learns, through negotiation with Abraham, not to punish the whole class but only the guilty. Seems as though Allah is going in the opposite direction.
I've been eager to get Islamic answers to the following:
Muslims frequently affirm that God Almighty is generous, kind, munificent etc.
You have quite a number of "Holy Cities." Mecca and Media, are, as I understand it, the top two.
Why not act as you describe Almighty God--given that you claim to be His followers--and grant your half brothers, the Israeli's, Jerusalem in toto? They only have one Holy City compared to your wealth of them. Why even bother them about it at all?
Indeed. Satan has been about wrath, violence and vengeance ever since God kicked him out of Heaven for daring to presume he could take God's place.
It boggles my mind that the top of the puppet masters setting up the global government as the Bible predicts--it boggles my mind that they actually believe that satan will win at Armageddon! Clueless idiots.
Oooops.
Mecca and Medina vs Mecca and Media
. . . . though it would seem that Bin Laden might be changing that given his skillful use of the Media.
Your statement assumes the existence of such supernatural phenomena. There's really nothing I can say in response to that.
Second off, I lack the knowledge required to answer your question in a straightforward way.
I don't know that I'd call something that arose much earlier than Muhammed and was applied to Islam under the Ottoman's "new."
But I think I follow your thinking at least a bit.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. And, thanks for your thoughtful reply to the question about Jerusalem.
I disagree that "the crescent moon symbol of Islam is no accident."
I agree that the symbol was in use prior to Muhammad. According to Wikipedia, the symbol was used by Byzantines prior to being Christianized. Even after conversion, the symbol was still used.
Muhammad did not use the symbol. It only became attached to Islam after the fall of Constantinople, according to About.com. If the legend is true, then I believe it was an accident that Osman had that dream.
That's why I said use of the symbol in the context of Islam was relatively new.
Maybe I need to try and be clearer . . .
To me . . .
whether one considers supernatural demonic forces
and/or
human choice . . . .
a point in time came when an individual CHOSE to us the symbol for Islam.
Therefore, to me, it was no happenstance accident. It was willfully chosen for whatever reasons.
I'm rather skeptical that major . . . movements, symbols etc ever happen "by accident."
Certainly God's choices are not an accident.
But satan's are not an accident either.
Humans influenced by both tend to make choices for a complexity of reasons.
I'm sure most of them are NOT consciously worshipping a demonic spirit but many have been deceived and even moreso as time draws to a close (as we know it). All we can do is pray that God moves mightily on their behalf. I know there IS a great move of God coming very soon, if not already here, and things WILL change (at least for a while). Much love, Mxxx
AMEN! AMEN!
Received this via email today from
http://www.kad-esh.org
It has some prophetic info in it; so for those who ponder:::
Following is a word the Lord has given to an Indian Chief in Ontario Canada. As you read please allow the Lord to lead you in prayer. Yeshua alone is the only source of Salvation for Israel at this time and in the future...
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Gathering Nations International
kblacksmith@rogers.com
August 9, 2006
'Israel - first of all First Nations'
About eight years ago, in a dream I, Kenny saw Louise along with other First Nation and Inuit people armed with sickles, moving quickly, gathering and bundling sheaves of wheat. Suddenly, I recognized the landscape and the architecture of the buildings around us - we were in Israel. I then came to a huge gate, and I knew beyond the gate I would find a field ready for the harvest. In anticipation, I knocked on the gate and out came a servant of whom I asked to see the master of the house. The servant left and the master of the house came out to the gate. I knew deep inside me this was the Messiah - Yeshua. I couldn't see his face but I could see his pure white garment. He asked me what I wanted, to which I replied, "Master, if you will, please open the gate that I may come in."
He opened the gate, and said to me, "Come, I want to show you my garden." Upon entering through the gate, I went with the Master to the side of his house, and he showed me a vast garden ripe for harvest. In my excitement, I asked the Master, "Could I go in and gather in the harvest?" He replied, "No, come let me show you my other garden." Again, like the other garden, it was vast, and as far as I could see on all sides there was no end to this garden. In this second garden, however I could see the land was parched dry. So dry was the land that it cracked and nothing could grow on it. The Master then said to me, "I can't let you go into the other garden because this garden needs someone to break the ground, seed it, water and tend to it before I can allow you or others to enter my other garden to gather in the harvest." Before I left his house, he again showed me his first garden. There were many servants dressed in white ready at any moment for the Lord to release them to gather in the harvest.
I had forgotten this dream until the weekend of August 5-8, 2006. During this time, I had another dream where I, Kenny saw my wife Louise down by the shore of a huge lake. Louise showed me an airplane that looked like half boat and half airplane. She then said to me, "Kenny, you must learn to fly this airplane." I said to her, "How can I fly this thing?" She simply stated, "Try it and you'll see how easy it is." I then got into the boat/airplane with Louise and we went out into the lake. Immediately after this, I saw this giant wall of water - like a mighty wave rushing toward us. There was no way of escaping this wave. It soon covered us and as it did, it didn't feel like water but it felt like oil and very light. As it passed over and past us, suddenly the season changed from summer to winter. I then saw Louise and I, walking in the snow in our summer clothes and a young child was with us.
As I awoke, I knew in my spirit these prophetic pictures were connected and spoke of the plans and purposes of our Lord. Psalm 42: 7 states, 'Deep calls to deep in the roar of your waterfalls; all your waves and breakers have swept over me.'
I heard the Lord say "Fear not, for this too must come to pass. I have shown you in the past, a wave of revival coming, yea, even a wave of the presence of my glory. Now I will cause a wave of breakthrough never experienced before in this manner and magnitude to break and sweep over my Church. Many will fear what is about to take place. Many will be taken up to a new level in their anointing and calling. This season of change will be swift and with little time to adjust to what is about to take place. For many ministries this will be a time of birthing something very new. As you increase prayer and worship, the very foundations of what held many back from moving into the fullness of their anointing and calling will be shaken, and my people will be loosed from these chains. This release will abound suddenly and supernaturally, and many who were held as in a prison will experience a sudden release. The prison doors will be opened. This will be a new season of breakthrough for my people", saith the Lord. (Acts 16:25-26)
I believe this season of breakthrough will break over and sweep into ministries world wide within a six month period. From now until the winter season, ministries worldwide will see anew the plans and purposes of our Lord for his people Israel - the apple of his eye. The Lord will arise and have compassion on Zion. The time is now to show favour to her - the appointed time has come. (Psalm 102: 13) The Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is about 'to sprinkle (startle) many nations and kings will suddenly shut their mouths (gates) because of him. For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand.' (Is.52:12)
Psalm 33: 7-22 states; 'He gathers the waters of the sea into jars, he puts the deep into storehouses. Let all the earth fear the Lord; let all the people of the world revere him. For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm. The Lord foils the plans of the nations; he thwarts the purposes of the peoples. But the plans of the Lord stand firm forever, and the purposes of his heart through all generations. Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people he chose for his inheritance. From heaven the Lord looks down and sees all mankind; from his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth - he who forms the hearts of all, who considers everything they do. No king is saved by the size of his army; no warrior escapes by his great strength....the eyes of the Lord are on those who fear him, on those whose hope is in his unfailing love, to deliver them from death...we wait in hope for the Lord; he is our help and our shield...'
The time is now for the beginning of a new season of breakthrough for worldwide ministries and believers in Yeshua. This is the season of a spiritual harvest for Israel. What the Lord showed me many years ago is about to unfold before us. I believe, the Lord has need of many to go to Israel with a renewed purpose to break the hardened ground, seed, water and tend to his garden of Israel. This is an urgent call to a united, strategic outreach with worldwide believers in Yeshua, and with the people of Israel.
We are committed to do whatever it will take to go to Israel with a defined purpose and with a vision to see and work with a united body of believers in Yeshua. To do this, we need as many partners as there can be to stand with us. Together we can be a greater source of blessing and encouragement to Israel, for such a time as this.
To the First Peoples of Canada who signed the Covenant of the First Peoples of Canada on June 21, 2006, this will be the beginning of living out Article I, of our Covenant which states, 'The First Peoples of Canada hereby affirm to respect and honour our identity as diverse peoples, and in solidarity to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and to bless Israel in accordance to the Word of the living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.'
As First Nation, Inuit and Métis believers, we will be partners in transformation with the people of Israel, and consequently, influence and impact nations worldwide. We do not only have the key of David in our hands (Rev.3:8-9) but we also have the key of Abraham; "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you and whoever curses you (that is, considers you insignificant) I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you. (Gen. 12:2-3) This season is a time of acceleration to every defining revelation and purpose in our Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - for Israel, and from the River to the ends of the world. The word of the Lord says, ' Again, I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!' ...'For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?... 'If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches...you do not support the root, but the root supports you (Romans 11:11-18)
We suggest our mission to be:
1) To have a First Peoples of Canada dedicated fund for Israel as a means of building the kingdom of God in Israel, and to encourage our fellow believers in Yeshua - worldwide. This will be done through our Registered Charity - Gathering Nations International. Please specify designated donations in this regard.
2) To host, as the First Peoples of Canada, a Gathering Nations Worship in Jerusalem, Israel; as a means of building relationship and partnership with worldwide believers in Yeshua. This gathering will need to take place before the winter season is over. This is short notice for many; nevertheless, I feel strongly there is a six month window of opportunity, and we must move quickly as the Lord has shown us in this accelerated season of breakthrough.
3) To enter into a Covenant with the Messianic community of believers worldwide, expressed in a way similar to the heart and vision of the First Nations, Inuit and Métis believers in the Covenant of the First Peoples of Canada.
For all those who witness this in their spirit, please respond as soon as you can. We will need to plan accordingly. We send all our love and blessings in Yeshua;
Kenny and Louise Blacksmith
Gathering Nations International
788 Covehead Crescent
Gloucester, ON
K1V 1M3
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Thanks much.
Certainly worth prayerfully pondering, imho.
Prayers for your day and hope your sleep was great.
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