Posted on 08/07/2006 6:18:10 AM PDT by topcat54
Agreed. See my post #6
Then they are lost.
No one is going to be saved without faith in Christ.
lol. From what I understand, there are about 5 groups of "Jews" in Israel, the black Ethiopians and Christians on the bottom. Oh well, the last shall be first.
But God has blinded them. Now what?
Maybe we should help Israel's enemies destroy not just two thirds of the Israelis but all the Israelis. Then there would be no more Israel at all and Armageddon will be averted. Right?
Ya Ya, lost, blind, enemies of God, screwed, etc., etc., etc., Don't you ever tire of doing God's job for him?
No one is going to be saved without faith in Christ
Ya right. Nobody is going to be saved unless they believe like you do. I think people should let Jews interpret their own writings. They've been doing it 2,000 more years than all of you Johny-come-lately's.
The Torah Jews interpret their own writings. No one is stopping them. The ones who toss the word out and do their own speaking go another direction.
Not understanding your response.
I have no problem with P-M's question, but mine has always been, "Why do you have to post dispensational threads so you can be against them?"
Why not post some brief synopsis of preterism and show us what you are for?
Do preterists not post what they stand for because (1) they're embarrassed to say, (2) because they don't know, (3) because it's too hard to explain, (4) etc.
I don't think they can stop being Jewish anymore than the Apostle Paul stopped being Jewish. As you quoted, he said, "My kinsmen after the flesh."
Paul was both Jewish and Christian.
I have to agree with xzins. What God considers a Jew is not what mankind does, right?
Have you ever considered asking Jews what they consider to be Jewish? Logic 101.
Yes, they say as long as they are in the tribe, they need not worry about salvation, they're already saved. Is that right, or not?
I think God considers Jews (those kinsmen after the flesh) to be Jews.
There is discussion of "an Israel of God," but that is clearly a metaphor. The same with those who are Jews "inwardly."
They have legitimate spiritual meaning when they are used, but they do not negate the existence of those who are "Jews after the flesh." The presence of these racial Jews makes it necessary to consider some or all prophecies as relating to their group and not to the church.
It is possible that:
(1) All "Israel" prophecies relate only to the church.
(2) All "Israel" prophecies relate only to racial Israel.
(3) Some relate to the Church and some relate to racial Israel.
Time will tell, of course, but one would be negligence not to ponder the fact that racial Israel is again occupying their ancestral land.
Being Jewish is a spiritual condition, we learn that from Abraham. In Exodus, many so called Jews were destroyed for being only in the flesh.
The bible teaches that there are both racial Jews and what we call "spiritual" Jews.
Everyone falls into one of the 3 categories above. Which are you?
Jewish by heritage.
Christian by faith.
I suppose you realize you're denying scholarly history to say that there is no "race of Jews."
Go here to these sites at UC Davis and Fordham Univ.:
http://philo.ucdavis.edu/zope/home/bruce/RST23/chart.html#325-1517
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/jewishsbook.html
Actually, Jewish by heritage and religion.
A Christian Jew by grace.
Jesus was Jewish.
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