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The ayatollah of atheism and Darwin’s altars
Catholic Educators Resource Center ^ | 5/27/08 | PAUL JOHNSON

Posted on 05/27/2006 3:14:09 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner

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My favorite historian comments on the evolution question. Paul C. Johnson is a catholic, and a likely believer in evolution; none the less, he cautions against Dawkins' extremism.

Time will tell if he is right.

1 posted on 05/27/2006 3:14:12 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
In the first main paragraph:

Darwinian fundamentalists, and they cling to their absolutist position with all the unyielding certitude with which Southern Baptists assert the literal truth of the Book of Genesis, or Wahabi Muslims proclaim the need for a universal jihad against ‘the Great Satan’. At a revivalist meeting of Darwinians two or three years ago...

Tripe alert! Don't need to read any farther.

2 posted on 05/27/2006 3:19:49 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

3 posted on 05/27/2006 3:47:10 PM PDT by UnklGene
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Placemarker
4 posted on 05/27/2006 3:52:01 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Coyoteman
Note the Creationists trying to denigrate people by calling them religious. Projection?
5 posted on 05/27/2006 3:56:49 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

The irony is astounding to say the least.


6 posted on 05/27/2006 4:08:39 PM PDT by AbsoluteAwesome
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To: UnklGene
You post a caricature, I post real data. Isn't this fun!




Fossil: Sts 5 Site: Sterkfontein Cave, South Africa (1)

Discovered By: R. Broom & J. Robinson 1947 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 2.5 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, floral & faunal data (1, 4)

Species Name: Australopithecus africanus (1, 2)

Gender: Male (based on CAT scan of wisdom teeth roots) (1, 30) Female (original interpretation) (4)

Cranial Capacity: 485 cc (2, 4)

Information: No tools found in same layer (4)

Interpretation: Erect posture (based on forward facing foramen magnum) (8)

Nickname: Mrs. Ples (1)

See original source for notes:
http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=24

7 posted on 05/27/2006 4:17:27 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

"Aytollah, fundamentalist, Wahabi muslims"

Go ahead, label them terrorists. I know you want to.


8 posted on 05/27/2006 4:20:19 PM PDT by sumocide
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To: Coyoteman
When talking about Richard Dawkins and that whole evolution-proves-atheism-crowd, "Darwinian fundamentalists" is spot-on accurate.
9 posted on 05/27/2006 4:24:10 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

The article is infering that everyone who accepts that natural selection alone drives the evolutionary process is a "Darwinian fundamentalist" which is clearly not the case.

For someone who thinks evolution proves atheism, then perhaps that label would be appropriate.


10 posted on 05/27/2006 4:28:45 PM PDT by AbsoluteAwesome
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12 posted on 05/27/2006 4:30:00 PM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

bttt


13 posted on 05/27/2006 4:37:18 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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I dont understand how a person can refute the lineage from Australopithecus to Homo Habilis to Homo Erectus to Homo Sapian.

I don't understand how a person can refute the DNA evidence in the OJ case, but apparently it's the same kind of reasoning.

14 posted on 05/27/2006 4:44:47 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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I don't understand how a person can refute the DNA evidence in the OJ case, but apparently it's the same kind of reasoning.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! That's not reasoning!

15 posted on 05/27/2006 4:49:54 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: balrog666
That's not reasoning!

That's trigonometry!

16 posted on 05/27/2006 4:53:17 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Bommer
You post caricature too, but I still post data. Enjoy!




Fossil: KNM-ER 3733

Site: Koobi Fora (Upper KBS tuff, area 104), Lake Turkana, Kenya (4, 1)

Discovered By: B. Ngeneo, 1975 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.75 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal, paleomagnetic & radiometric data (1, 4)

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

Gender: Female (species presumed to be sexually dimorphic) (1, 8)

Cranial Capacity: 850 cc (1, 3, 4)

Information: Tools found in same layer (8, 9). Found with KNM-ER 406 A. boisei (effectively eliminating single species hypothesis) (1)

Interpretation: Adult (based on cranial sutures, molar eruption and dental wear) (1)

See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=33

17 posted on 05/27/2006 4:56:20 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

Science thrives on research.

I suggest you identify an alternative. With a little thought, we can come up with an experiment, and publish the results.


18 posted on 05/27/2006 5:01:05 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (Demographics is Destiny!)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Much of the blame lies with Richard Dawkins, head of the Darwinian fundamentalists in this country, who has (it seems) indissolubly linked Darwin to the more extreme forms of atheism, and projected on to our senses a dismal world in which life has no purpose or meaning and a human being has no more significance than a piece of rock, being subject to the same blind processes of pitiless, unfeeling, unthinking nature. The sheer moral, emotional and intellectual emptiness of the universe as seen by the Darwinian bigots is enough to make mere humans (as opposed to scientific high priests), and especially young ones, despair, and wonder what is the point of going on with existence in a world which is hard enough to endure even without the Darwinian nightmare.

WRT our lives, the universe is a blank canvas, waiting for us to "paint" our lives and world onto it. Johnson, like many creationists, seems to be driven by a feeling of terror that the universe's "canvas" doesn't come printed with a paint-by-numbers outline to tell us what to paint & how.

(Well, the universe does come with a comprehensible, unchanging set of basic laws of physics, & chemistry, etc. that we can use as a framework upon which to build our lives & societies. Maybe that's like the canvas not jumping around spontaneously or changing shape or color or flinging off our brushstrokes at random. Eh, all analogies have their limits. :-)

19 posted on 05/27/2006 5:09:53 PM PDT by jennyp (Twig-gy Twiggy, Twig-gy Twiggy, Twig-gy Twiggy, Twig-gy Twiggy)
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To: Donald Meaker; Forgiven_Sinner; Coyoteman; sumocide
re 18: Science thrives on research.

Indeed it does. It rare to find anything from the Noah's Flood, creationist, 'intelligent design' crowd to any report of an original research finding. The ID group loves to be Monday-morning quarterbacks and offer critiques, but I think not a one of them from the Discovery Institute actually has ever got his/her hands dirty in a lab or in a field exploration.

The DI gets $4.5 million every year from their believers to promote mouthings of their directors, but has not yet made a single contribution to scientific knowlege.

DI has a terrible record in supporting science, and a pretty poor record in promoting ID. They have lost in churches, lost with evangelical Christians, and lost in science research.

ID has a major internal inconsistency. If an aspect of 'design' is produced by a "miracle", by an intervention by a supernatural entity, then by definition is not a scientific process which can be studied by natural methods.

If, on the other hand, the 'grand designer' works by tweaking a bit of DNA here, giving a slight reproductive advantage there, then it is indistinguishable from a natural process and makes the designer part of the natural world and not supernatural at all.

ID has hooked its horse and to mules that are lame in 3 legs. The IDists cannot even explain how horses and donkeys survived Noah's Flood.

20 posted on 05/27/2006 5:40:19 PM PDT by thomaswest (Just curious)
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