The Book of Mormon Challenge

Joseph Smith America Prophet ^ | 2006

[colorcountry]

Yes, so Joseph Smith took a name from the Bible... big deal. I named my dog Obediah when I was seven years old. Can you imagine that! This from a young uneducated child living in isolation in Southern Utah. However did I do this???

[Colofornian]

Also you should ping me when speaking of me.

I said, DU, that you failed to follow two posting guidelines--it was actually three since you didn't ping CC.

I think you're vying for Freeper NHoF [Notorious Hall of Fame} Protocol Violation status--all in one thread!

[restornu]

You got to do better than sour grapes!

[Colofornian]

drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light;

In darkness did it originate; in darkness it remains.

[Colofornian]

Does the physical existence of plates fit into this scenario? No, it doesn't.

Excellent point. What does "something resembling parchment"--which supposedly appeared out of nowhere inside the hat--have to do w/gold plates?

If the power of God was involved, why did God need gold plates to translate the Book of Mormon into parchment pieces that supposedly delivered each character to Joseph's eyes?

Obviously, the hat wasn't holding any heavy gold plate. And according to this account, the "spiritual light" wasn't illuminating any gold plate.

[restornu]

Am I allowed to smile?

[colorcountry]

Yep, you're right I only do this because I'm sour grapes.: )

You found me out! /sarc

[DelphiUser]

>> We are NOT the same poster under two names.

Are you sure? (Snicker) Sorry about that, I do seem to be having trouble keeping you guys separate, though.

[DelphiUser]

>>you should ping me when speaking of me.

Um, tried to, messed that up, Sorry

>>I didn't hint that it was one of you two.

Sorry, I thought you were, no offence intended, and non taken, this was more of a joke to restornu than any comment on you, no smear intended.

[restornu]

Always make sure you ping the right color!:)

[DelphiUser]

You wandered off from their testimonies, they claim to have Heard the voice of god, seen and handled the plates, and seen an angel (take both the 3 and 8 together).

>>Is this evidence?

Yes.

[DelphiUser]

>>I think you're vying for Freeper NHoF [Notorious Hall of
>>Fame} Protocol Violation status--all in one thread!

Hey at least I’ll be famous for something (Grin). I may just add "All" to my posts in the future…

Hey, who's already been inducted in to this hall? I have to be careful of who I associate with now that I am famous and all.

[colorcountry]

It is Colo-fornian as in Colorado and California.

I am color-country as in the color of my country is Red.

Only one of us is color the other is a State...that should be simple enough.

[colorcountry]

Those testimonies wouldn't stand up in a court of law IMHO. Your use may vary.

[DelphiUser]

I keep names in alphabetical order in my brain. (Yes, I know its weird, but I have always had problems with names) I can always get the first letter, but sometimes that is as far as I can get.

Being a programmer, multiword names have orders of precedence, and ColorCountry And ColorFornian would be very close and probably related in their function. Since you agree on your position here and post similar sounding posts. I will probably continue to confuse your names, despite my best intentions.

Could one of you pick up a chronic spelling problem or something? /Humor

[restornu]

It only needs to be found in the courts of Heaven not your earth church or courts

[colorcountry]

Three of the eight witnesses made separate statements that they had handled the plates. They were Joseph's two brothers, Hyrum and Samuel, and John Whitmer. Hyrum and Samuel's statements are further qualified by their brother William who, in an interview, also claimed to have handled the plates, said:

"I did not see them uncovered, but I handled them and hefted them while wrapped in a tow frock and judged them to have weighed about sixty pounds. ... Father and my brother Samuel saw them as I did while in the frock. So did Hyrum and others of the family." When the interviewer asked if he didn't want to remove the cloth and see the bare plates, William replied, "No, for father had just asked if he might not be permitted to do so, and Joseph, putting his hand on them said; 'No, I am instructed not to show them to any one. If I do, I will transgress and lose them again.' Besides, we did not care to have him break the commandment and suffer as he did before." (Zion's Ensign, p. 6, January 13, 1894, cited in Church of Christ broadside.)

[DelphiUser]

>> Those testimonies wouldn't stand up in a court of law IMHO. Your use may vary.

Few religions would stand up in a court of law.

The point being, they testified of Joseph Smith, and the Golden plates. You cannot say there is no evidence and be correct in light of their testimonies. You could say there is no evidence accepted by you, and be correct.

(Words are important because a gentleman always means what he says, and you cannot mean what you say if you can’t say what you mean – The last emperor)

[colorcountry]

ColorCountry And ColorFornian would be very close

There's your problem it isn't COLORFornian it is COLO-Fornian.

Still it's okay if you confuse me with Colofornian. Great minds think alike.

[colorcountry]

The point being, they testified of Joseph Smith, and the Golden plates.

Well, YOU testify of Joseph Smith and the Gold Plates (because you believe you've had a witness that the Book of Mormon is true.)

Sorry, but your "testimony" also bears no witness to me. This backs up Quester's supposition that there is NO evidence. Their signed testimony that they saw something, they lifted something heavy, and it may have been a hallucination just doesn't hold up.