Posted on 04/27/2006 3:03:34 PM PDT by restornu
Not all same sex is bitter CC!
Read the replies to this thread. Obviously they don't.
LOL...Resty, You missed the sarcasm of that post. Next time I'll add the /sarc tag.
I guess the only bitter ones that are unbelieveable, are the ex-mormon ones. < /sarc>
struggling with same sex is not an easy road, but liar are lair no matter where they come from?
This not the same as those who disagree or lost their moral compass!
I don't care for sarcasm it is non productive and hurtful with out a cause!
Ah resty...I did not call him that, I did not even mention him. I posted a refernce I found on a website. I clearly posted it was from an anti-mormon website. (that would mean those referenced there are probably anti-mormon)
I didn't give it any credence...I was just asking about the book "History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" by Joseph Smith.
Can you tell me anything about THAT particular book. If not, then anything else you bring up about that quote is off-topic and strictly your concern. I have no concern whatsoever with this Quinn guy. I've never read anything by him or about him. IOW I could care less.
He was mention in your post Quinn & Newell
This 7 volume set read in conjunction with the Quinn & Newell books will give you a fairly accurate look at the beginnings of Mormonism--far more so then if you look to your seminary teacher, gospel doctrine class or Ensign for a true glimpse of Mormon history.
Exactly what I said. AND I told you it was anti-mormon....what more would you ask me to do?
"Read the replies to this thread. Obviously they don't"
I've gathered that! :)
The Book of Mormon is often dismissed as gibberish by those who have never taken the trouble to read it. In fact, its very existence poses a serious puzzle if it is not what it claims to be - an ancient record. Below is the Book of Mormon Challenge, an assignment that Professor Hugh Nibley at BYU sometimes gave to students in a required class on the Book of Mormon. The following text is taken from the Collected Works of Hugh Nibley, Vol.8, Ch.11, Pg.221 - Pg.222:
Since Joseph Smith was younger than most of you and not nearly so experienced or well-educated as any of you at the time he copyrighted the Book of Mormon, it should not be too much to ask you to hand in by the end of the semester (which will give you more time than he had) a paper of, say, five to six hundred pages in length. Call it a sacred book if you will, and give it the form of a history. Tell of a community of wandering Jews in ancient times; have all sorts of characters in your story, and involve them in all sorts of public and private vicissitudes; give them names--hundreds of them--pretending that they are real Hebrew and Egyptian names of circa 600 b.c.; be lavish with cultural and technical details--manners and customs, arts and industries, political and religious institutions, rites, and traditions, include long and complicated military and economic histories; have your narrative cover a thousand years without any large gaps; keep a number of interrelated local histories going at once; feel free to introduce religious controversy and philosophical discussion, but always in a plausible setting; observe the appropriate literary conventions and explain the derivation and transmission of your varied historical materials.
Above all, do not ever contradict yourself! For now we come to the really hard part of this little assignment. You and I know that you are making this all up--we have our little joke--but just the same you are going to be required to have your paper published when you finish it, not as fiction or romance, but as a true history! After you have handed it in you may make no changes in it (in this class we always use the first edition of the Book of Mormon); what is more, you are to invite any and all scholars to read and criticize your work freely, explaining to them that it is a sacred book on a par with the Bible. If they seem over-skeptical, you might tell them that you translated the book from original records by the aid of the Urim and Thummim--they will love that! Further to allay their misgivings, you might tell them that the original manuscript was on golden plates, and that you got the plates from an angel. Now go to work and good luck!
To date no student has carried out this assignment, which, of course, was not meant seriously. But why not? If anybody could write the Book of Mormon, as we have been so often assured, it is high time that somebody, some devoted and learned minister of the gospel, let us say, performed the invaluable public service of showing the world that it can be done." - Hugh Nibley
Of course, ... this does not preclude the very real possibility that Joseph Smith was just a (perhaps even unsuspecting) front man ... for an elaborate deceit to be introduced to the world.
After all ... it was an angel of light (Moroni) ... which delivered the golden plates to Joseph Smith.
And ... Paul tells us very clearly that Satan, himself, ... can and does transform himself into an angel of light.1 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.Lastly, ... this very same Paul warns the NT christians ... that they are not to ... accept any other gospel ... other than what had been presented by Jesus and the Apostles in the NT ... even if it came by way of an angel.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Excuse me Quester I personaly believe in the earyly AD that the scriptures were alredy being altered even during the time of Paul as he stated
in Gal 1
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
There was even posible because in those days there were sightings of angels both of good and deceiving!
So I believe you follow another gospel just by debating and deciding how the the personage should be thought!
These men had no authority to the Lord priesthood!
"Lastly, ... this very same Paul warns the NT christians ... that they are not to ... accept any other gospel ... other than what had been presented by Jesus and the Apostles in the NT ... even if it came by way of an angel."
bears repeating.
Resty, the scriptures you quoted said they were perverting the gospel. It does NOT say they altered scripture. At the time of Pauls letter to Galatians, the scripture was the Old Testament and some letters from Paul that had not yet been assembled by anyone.
We have very succinct evidence that the Old Testament is still intact and not altered since the time of the Church of Galatians.
Excuse me CC but Paul is complaining at the time this is happening!
Altered!
Preverted!
Ssame thing to me causing one to stumble!
I mention nothing about the OT!
Anyone who thinks they have the complete word after all this time and also witness history how things happen is dreaming!
They even Killed the Savior thinking it would be the End of Jesus Christ!
They ran His apostle out of town or killed them and you think when the chicken coop is not being guarded they were not going to change the Word of the Lord so things would not go back the way they like it!
This domain is ruled by Satan WAKE UP!
EPH. 6
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
I apologized CC sorry!
Smmmmmmmoooooooooooooch!:)
Restornu....focus like a laser beam. They were not altering or perverting "scripture" in the letter to Galatians. They were altering the Gospel.
Now can you show me where "scripture" has been altered in a diabolical way without using an LDS source?
You said you have all of the documents you show me
No matter how you slice it
Paul was complaining what was taking place in HIS day, not this day!
You said you have all of the documents you show me
No matter how you slice it
Paul was complaining what was taking place in HIS day, not this day!
PS
That was why there was a need of a restoration in the Latter Days!
I did?...what post are you refering to?
These men had no authority to the Lord priesthood!
Of what men do you speak ?
The writings of the New Testament were all written by the first Apostles of Jesus Christ ... and their disciples.
If you can't trust them to accurately deliver the gospel of Jesus Christ ... who can you trust ?
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