Posted on 04/27/2006 3:03:34 PM PDT by restornu
When I was active LDS, all published or broadcast General Conference talks were considered "scripture." Those can be found in the Church Magazines.
In the earlier days the talks of the Prophets were recorded in the Journal of Discources. Now we see that the Church is repudiating them as "unofficial."
There are actually only three official Mormon publications that no Mormon will refute. The D&C, Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price. They can be purchased in one book called the triple combination.
The P of GP has had new light shed on it in recent years. This is the supposed Joseph Smith translation of Egyptian papyri...the Book of Abraham etc. It appears that the papyri was just a simple funerary piece that was included in a sarcophagus w/ a mummy.
Thank you for this more complete quote and verifying what I said, that I was giving the Church the benefit of the doubt about this teaching.
If you read my post, I said I didn't know what the Church teaches about God having a God. You just proved my point since I wasn't born before Gordon B. Hinkley either.
I din't say I don't like farms or fairs. I simply said they weren't "oficially" condoned as speaking for the Church...period.
You discount unofficial Church publications like the Journal of Discourses, yet you uphold the words of people who make a living discounting "anti-mormons." It's just curious.
Num. 22:
18 And Balaam answered and said unto the servants of Balak, If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the word of the LORD my God, to do less or more.
Joseph was given knowledge all through his mission, much we have details on, sadly there was *more details about the about the temple he was teaching that are left undone before he was murdered!
*These things surface when you read certain histories it is mention in passing!
I read one time in an unoffical book mention in passing that Joseph was preparing a couple for Marriage in the Temple and he was going to teach more during the next council....
The book was about formation of planets I forget can't find my copy!
Extemporaneous vs Revealtion
Thing that have not been proof read and given the ok is just records of a meeting!
Not every word uttered is a revelations so which are which?
No one knows for sure?
No, I do not like it. This kind of "trap them before they know any better," tactic is abusive in my opinion.
Have you read the statistics about how many converts actually stay active in the Church after this "meat doctrine" is introduced.
This is from the Salt Lake Tribune http://www.sltrib.com July 26, 2005
Excerpt: ‘The problem originates in the faith's tradition of rapid conversion of investigators to the church according to David Stewart, a church member and researcher who has studied the problem of member retention in the church.
Stewart, who has studied the question for over 14 years, said that such quick conversions are a "recipe for inactivity."
"I'm encouraged that there is a little bit of awareness of the problem," he said.
The American Religious Identification Survey of 2001 the Graduate Center of City University of New York said in a report that the same number of people had left the Mormon church in the United States as had joined it.’
That was not from a church source nor do I know if what was quoted their is accurate in the origianl paper it was taken from a link off the net!
The point was there were NO I repeat NO details given how this is so?
Many of our strange things to non members we can backup with scripture and or circumstance existing!
This was a statement long ago and no one has the details unitl something tell us how and why it is just speculation!
He said he does not even know if the LDS Chgurch teaches that doctrine. If he was merely trying to "de-emphasize" it, then he is a liar. If he really doesn't know if the LDS Church teaches that, then you, by claiming it is part of LDS teaching, are either misguided or someone has been lying to you.
Can you state with certainty that the LDS Church teaches that God was once a man and that you may someday become equal to Him? Do you have any official sources which proclaim this doctrine today?
I've read a number of Hinckley's interviews online and there are quite alot of "I don't know's". How odd for the "LEADER" not to know what his own church teaches.
And the answer is...
"I don't know".
Getting back to the topic of plural gods:
"- In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it. (April 1844, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 349; History of the Church 6:308)"
Is this "official"?
I had such a strong witness I could not deny it!
At the time I had no knowledge about Joseph Smith testimony and his feeling that he could not deny it just to get along with clergy!
It came solely from the Book of Mormon I had not even read the book but the Holy Spirit was so sweet and brought such great JOY I just needed to know more and I took to it like a Duck Takes to Water!
For the first time in my life I had truth!
Moroni 10
3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
6 And whatsoever thing is good is just and true; wherefore, nothing that is good denieth the Christ, but acknowledgeth that he is.
7 And ye may know that he is, by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore I would exhort you that ye deny not the power of God; for he worketh by power, according to the faith of the children of men, the same today and tomorrow, and forever.
When I first heard about he Godhead I knew it was true no way could the Heavenly Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost be composed in one blob!
1- It is a fact the Jesus has a resurrected Body of Flesh and Bone!
2- It is also true that as written in JOHN 5 ~ JESUS CAN DO NOTHING BUT WHAT HE SEES HIS FATHER DO!
3- It is the fact the Holy Ghost is a Spirit!
4- It is a fact that Lucifer/Satan never kept his 1st estate so he did not receive a body of Flesh and Blood as the rest of us Children did!
5- Gen 1:26-27
26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our LIKENESS: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in HIS OWN image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
6- Spirits are formless they are NOT Created nor Made into an image!
7- So if one is creating a image it is a Body image of a Body!
Yea!
Job 38:
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
(supposedly) by Joseph Smith
This 'official history' of the early LDS Church is edited from the Utah church's viewpoint. Although the church hasn’t officially denounced this history as being written by someone other than Joseph Smith, the fact is that much of it was not written by him and most of it was put together after he was dead. The early church historians did many creative things with this history including adding prophecies attributable to Joseph Smith that had been “fulfilled” after his death. (Hmmmm... seems like the early Christians did the same thing). The early historians also censored much of the material to make it more “faith promoting”.
This history would still be very disturbing (although few active members have bothered to read it) in the eyes of most Mormons who are only familiar with the typical “Sunday School” sanitized version of the church’s supposed spotless history. This 7 volume set read in conjunction with the Quinn & Newell books will give you a fairly accurate look at the beginnings of Mormonism--far more so then if you look to your seminary teacher, gospel doctrine class or Ensign for a true glimpse of Mormon history.
This is an excerpt from a "anti-Mormon" site http://www.lds-mormon.com/history.shtml
I'm still searching for an "official" Church issued statement that this book is accurate. Logophile Do you know?
And the answer is...
"I don't know".
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Witnessing more from the clueless sour grapes....
....as to the progress that is continuing being made each day in the kingdom of Jesus Christ!!
Quinn a known bitter homosexual and liar!
Expelled scholar (QUINN) of Mormon history can't find work Monday, April 10, 2006
BTW
In the meantime, Mr. Quinn sleeps on a futon in his mother's condominium and says he can't afford health insurance, car repairs or Internet access. His library of books on Mormon and American social history lies boxed up in her garage and closets
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1622778/posts?page=237#237
An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. - Prov.16: 27
Yep...you surely cannot believe the word of those "bitter, homosexuals!"
Interesting what makes it into doctrine and what doesn't. It seems sort of loosey goosey as it can be changed at any given moment. (revelation) Certainly would keep a Mormon on his toes! :)
How does someone in the Morman faith keep it all straight and current as to what is doctrine and what is currently being taught?
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