Posted on 04/27/2006 3:03:34 PM PDT by restornu
huh? Jump the gun?
Isn't that the whole point of LDS? To get to celestial heaven?
concept? Only what I get from LDS.org. Do you not agree with LDS.org?
We only have a third of the Book of Mormon I am sure when the next 2/3 appears that knowledge will be there for now the saints must digest what they have and do what is ask before the Father gives us more.... you should vagely remember that!
Interesting, isn't it? It's also interesting that they don't like to discuss it. It's "jumping the gun" or denial.
I'm trying to understand why. ????
You are putting words in our mouth bonfire
Our mission is to do the will of the Heavenly Father!
That was a question, restornu. I didn't put words into your mouth.
As a Christian, the end "prize" is to go to Heaven. We only have one heaven. The celestial heaven of Mormons is the highest level. Isn't that the level of heaven Mormon's are striving for?
If not, please correct me.
Yup, Read the whole thing :-)
I try, but your question is like asking "So in ten words or less teach me physics’"
The Book of Mormon Second Nephi Chapter 9, verses 6 through 18.
6 For as death hath passed upon all men, to fulfill the merciful plan of the great Creator, there must needs be a power of resurrection, and the resurrection must needs come unto man by reason of the fall; and the fall came by reason of transgression; and because man became fallen they were cut off from the presence of the Lord.
7 Wherefore, it must needs be an infinite atonement—save it should be an infinite atonement this corruption could not put on incorruption. Wherefore, the first judgment which came upon man must needs have remained to an endless duration. And if so, this flesh must have laid down to rot and to crumble to its mother earth, to rise no more.
8 O the wisdom of God, his mercy and grace! For behold, if the flesh should rise no more our spirits must become subject to that angel who fell from before the presence of the Eternal God, and became the devil, to rise no more.
9 And our spirits must have become alike unto him, and we become devils, angels to a devil, to be shut out from the presence of our God, and to remain with the father of lies, in misery, like unto himself; yea, to that being who beguiled our first parents, who transformeth himself nigh unto an angel of light, and stirreth up the children of men unto secret combinations of murder and all manner of secret works of darkness.
10 O how great the goodness of our God, who prepareth a way for our escape from the grasp of this awful monster; yea, that monster, death and hell, which I call the death of the body, and also the death of the spirit.
11 And because of the way of deliverance of our God, the Holy One of Israel, this death, of which I have spoken, which is the temporal, shall deliver up its dead; which death is the grave.
12 And this death of which I have spoken, which is the spiritual death, shall deliver up its dead; which spiritual death is hell; wherefore, death and hell must deliver up their dead, and hell must deliver up its captive spirits, and the grave must deliver up its captive bodies, and the bodies and the spirits of men will be restored one to the other; and it is by the power of the resurrection of the Holy One of Israel.
13 O how great the plan of our God! For on the other hand, the paradise of God must deliver up the spirits of the righteous, and the grave deliver up the body of the righteous; and the spirit and the body is restored to itself again, and all men become incorruptible, and immortal, and they are living souls, having a perfect knowledge like unto us in the flesh, save it be that our knowledge shall be perfect.
14 Wherefore, we shall have a perfect knowledge of all our guilt, and our uncleanness, and our nakedness; and the righteous shall have a perfect knowledge of their enjoyment, and their righteousness, being clothed with purity, yea, even with the robe of righteousness.
15 And it shall come to pass that when all men shall have passed from this first death unto life, insomuch as they have become immortal, they must appear before the judgment-seat of the Holy One of Israel; and then cometh the judgment, and then must they be judged according to the holy judgment of God.
16 And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end.
17 O the greatness and the justice of our God! For he executeth all his words, and they have gone forth out of his mouth, and his law must be fulfilled.
18 But, behold, the righteous, the saints of the Holy One of Israel, they who have believed in the Holy One of Israel, they who have endured the crosses of the world, and despised the shame of it, they shall inherit the kingdom of God, which was prepared for them from the foundation of the world, and their joy shall be full forever.
Note, if you inherit a kingdom, are you not a king?
Romans 8
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
How much time do you spend on thinking about becoming joint heirs?
I know I don't in my everyday life many twice a years it comes it in scripture studies along with every thing else
it is balance the main thing is to do the do of the Lord!
Matt. 6: 33
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
It is interesting, and its clearly stated on the LDS website, so I am puzzled, as to why any member of the LDS church would not like to discuss it, or deny it...
I am interested, in exactly what their definition of 'god' is...is it different from how we normally use the word 'god' in our everyday language?...is the use of the word 'god' in this particular context, given a special meaning?...that is what I would ask...
The only way we can learn, is to ask, isnt that so?
yes!
>>huh? Jump the gun?
>>Isn't that the whole point of LDS? To get to celestial
>>heaven?
And when you have a first year Algebra stubent you hand them a physics problem to see it they get math?
Or hand a 2 month old a steak?
You don't start with the end unless you don't know your begining from your end.
. We only have one heaven.
Is that so?
John 14:
2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Obviously, it isn't in the Book of Mormon. It is in the Doctrine and Covenants. We don't need to wait around for the missing 2/3 of the BOM.
When "prospects" are being taught the lessons, they are implored to read the BOM, and pray whether it is true. Prospects are rarely taught the Doctrine and Covenants. I do vagely remember why...LOL
Line upon line, precept upon precept. We don't want to expose them to more knowledge than they can handle. Milk before meat. I know how the LDS answer. For some converts, they feel that they have been lied to and mislead.
andysandmikesmom may be an example of that. I have seen her support the LDS's right to call themselves Christian. I seen her posts stating that they are "good" people, family oriented and good neighbors. These things are all mostly true. She never knew that Mormons had a belief that man could progress to becoming a god in the Celestial kingdom. How do you feel about that andysandmikesmom?
Which goes back to what I asked of bonfire...does the use of the word 'god', in this context, really mean joint-heirs?
I know that it is in the D&C !
When I inherited my dad's estate, I became owner of that estate...just like my father before me. Is that what you mean? But when a prince inherits the throne he DOES become king. I'm confused by your analogy.
BTW...there was not one mention about becoming a god in those verses. They say the same relative thing as the Bible.
Good question. If so, then why use the term "god"?
Josh 22
22 The LORD God of gods, the LORD God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if it be in rebellion, or if in transgression against the LORD, (save us not this day,)
Ps. 82:
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
I have never denied, prevaricated, or dodged, you have a strange usage of words for someone who is not "Jumping the gun" you are uninterested in how we get there, only what's the answer, maybe that's a problem for you, but religion, like philosophy takes time.
Just curious, when you buy a mystery novel, do you read the last page first?
Life is about how you get to the end, not whether or not you die.
Relax a little, you act like someone springing a trap, who’s afraid his prey will get away. (oops, if I gave away your tactic, as described earlier by ColorCountry, I apologize)
I will nevertheless take time in answering because my wife keeps calling me away from this discussion (wives do that sometimes)
What you say of my posts concerning the members of the LDS church are true...my few meetings with LDS church members are as you say...now, from those meetings, they never tried to witness to me, nor to my mom and dad(who were the ones who were primarily involved with these church members)...
So, yes, it is quite shocking to me, to see, that part of their beliefs is that man can become a god...I had not really known that before, and am rather perplexed by it...
I suppose in others posts, I had noticed that some were saying that LDS members believed themselves capable of becoming 'gods', but had never taken the time to see it, authoritatively spelled out on the official LDS website...so that was quite eye opening...
And this will certainly require some further reading and much further thought on my part...
I have saved the link to the official LDS website, so I feel that there I can pursue further questions, that I might have...
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