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The Book of Mormon Challenge
Joseph Smith America Prophet ^ | 2006

Posted on 04/27/2006 3:03:34 PM PDT by restornu

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To: restornu; bonfire; DelphiUser
I would like to know just what you conjure up your mind when you think these things you?"

The question is best asked in this way.....Resty, would you please explain the plan of eternal progression.

Bonfire, if she doesn't respond, please google the term "eternal progression," it should tell you everthing you want to know about man becoming a god (notice the small "g") not the God. Delphi User I'm forwarding my answer for your perusal.

141 posted on 04/30/2006 4:31:54 PM PDT by colorcountry (He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose.)
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To: restornu

http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-58,00.html

Straight from the horses mouth.


142 posted on 04/30/2006 4:34:06 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: colorcountry

I already know the answer, color :) Why do they deny what they believe?


143 posted on 04/30/2006 4:35:58 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: restornu
I checked your link and find: Scientists agree that mammoths and mastodons once inhabited the Americas, and an article in Scientific Monthly, entitled “Men and Elephants in America,” suggests that these proboscidean animals (elephants, mammoths, mastodons) may have survived in the Americas until 1000 B.C. — well within the time frame demanded by the Book of Mormon.

That date relies on a 1952 reference, and radiocarbon dating was just barely invented, so I would not trust that date estimate of 1000 B.C.

Closest I have heard of is 4,000 years ago, when pygmy mammoths still existed on a small island in the Arctic Ocean. They were quickly wiped out when people arrived.

I don't think the US had many that survived much past 10,000 years ago. When the glaciers retreated and people spread, most of the megafauna didn't last long.

144 posted on 04/30/2006 4:36:34 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Interim tagline: The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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To: colorcountry; bonfire; DelphiUser

Now CC that does not sound like my question at all!

My question is what visions of sugar plums dance in their heads when they ask these questions?

I my personal belief about this, but some how I feel those who are on lookers or looking back see fairy tales dancing!


145 posted on 04/30/2006 4:41:05 PM PDT by restornu (An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. - Prov.16: 27)
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To: bonfire

That is why I keep challenging them. If they want to represent their religious beliefs, why do they insist of leaving out the most unique parts?


146 posted on 04/30/2006 4:42:07 PM PDT by colorcountry (He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose.)
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To: bonfire

That kind of depends on how well I do here dosn't it?

If we really are god's children, and this earth is a type and shadow, shouldn't we "Grow up" to be Gods?

Why do you ask? I will not be a God over this earth, nor will I have some area here assigned to me.


147 posted on 04/30/2006 4:43:05 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: bonfire

Deny what?

please tell what you think we are denying?


148 posted on 04/30/2006 4:44:30 PM PDT by restornu (An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. - Prov.16: 27)
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To: restornu

Resty, can you please explain the plan of Eternal Progression?


149 posted on 04/30/2006 4:44:41 PM PDT by colorcountry (He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose.)
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To: restornu

http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-58,00.html



Once again.

Read the part about the Celestial Kingdom. Now either you are playing here or trying to hide the fact that man can become gods. Which one is it? The link I gave you is right from LDS. Are they lying or has there been a new revelation since?


150 posted on 04/30/2006 4:46:14 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: colorcountry

BOLONEY SAUAGE!

I am and never did deny anything and I don't like the implication!

Why do has beens think they know it all when they lost their bearing?


151 posted on 04/30/2006 4:47:57 PM PDT by restornu (An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. - Prov.16: 27)
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To: DelphiUser

So, there are many gods. Thank you.


152 posted on 04/30/2006 4:48:07 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: restornu

I didn't "imply" anything.

Again I'm simply asking, what is the plan of Eternal Progression?


153 posted on 04/30/2006 4:48:57 PM PDT by colorcountry (He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose.)
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To: bonfire

>>Why do they deny what they believe?

I do not deny, just don't want to jump the gun, so to speak.

Remember when Jesus used the Prase I AM to refer to him self, The Jews tried to stone him. We like to start the conversation another way, rather thewn jump to "so That's the purpose of life, creating more gods to further God's plan"


154 posted on 04/30/2006 4:50:52 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: bonfire

Why don't you answer my question bonfire what sugar plums do you vision when you ask this question?

*****


155 posted on 04/30/2006 4:53:13 PM PDT by restornu (An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. - Prov.16: 27)
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To: DelphiUser

Where do you find this plan in the Book of Mormon. Can you give me a reference?


156 posted on 04/30/2006 4:53:41 PM PDT by colorcountry (He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose.)
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To: restornu

The sugarplums from LDS.org.


157 posted on 04/30/2006 4:57:30 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: colorcountry; bonfire

No you changed my question to bonfire and implemented yours question over it!

Please CC I know what I asked him NOT you?

After he tells me what goes on in his head when he see this and asked than I will answer!

I want his personal thoughs!


158 posted on 04/30/2006 4:57:49 PM PDT by restornu (An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. - Prov.16: 27)
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To: bonfire

Is that true to me that is no answer

you have a concept spit it out Please!


159 posted on 04/30/2006 4:58:50 PM PDT by restornu (An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire. - Prov.16: 27)
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To: bonfire

I have never really read any accounts of LDS belief, and so was interested in this discussion, just to get a little more information on the LDS church..I did go to the link you provided, and there I did find this....
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"The following are the kinds of lives we can choose to live and the kingdoms our choices will obtain for us.

Celestial
"They are they who received the testimony of Jesus, and believed on his name and were baptized, . . . that by keeping the commandments they might be washed and cleansed from all their sins, and receive the Holy Spirit." These are they who overcome the world by their faith. They are just and true so that the Holy Ghost can seal their blessings upon them. (See D&C 76:51-53.) Those who inherit the highest degree of the celestial kingdom, who become gods, must also have been married for eternity in the temple (see D&C 131:1-4). All who inherit the celestial kingdom will live with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ forever (see D&C 76:62)."
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In this short extract, it does mention that 'those who inherit the highest degree of the celestial kingdom, WHO HAVE BECOME GODS, must also have been married for eternity in the temple'...so it does appear, from this reading that the belief of the LDS church is that man can become a god...I did not know that was an LDS belief...


160 posted on 04/30/2006 5:00:37 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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