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Billy Graham's Disobedience to the Word of God
Way of Life ^ | Not sure | David Cloud

Posted on 04/25/2006 6:19:21 PM PDT by Full Court

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To: Full Court
Independent Baptist = Antisocial Fun-duh-mentalist Know-It-All Club

KJV Only = Advanced Revelationist Ignoramus I Know Better Than The Original Writers Club

122 posted on 04/25/2006 11:01:31 PM PDT by LifeOrGoods? (God is not a God of fear, but of power, love and a sane mind.)
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To: Full Court

*ROTFL*

Billy Graham may tolerate too many doctrinal errors, straining too hard for ecumenism, but this is funny.

I has to scan through what in print form would probably be several pages of text before I got to something other than "BILLY GRAHAM DOESN'T THINK THAT ALL CATHOLICS ARE DOOMED TO HELL!!!"


123 posted on 04/25/2006 11:54:57 PM PDT by dangus
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To: D-fendr

Well said!!!


124 posted on 04/26/2006 12:02:42 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Full Court

Say, did you know that Brother Cloud is a missionary to India?

heeheehee


125 posted on 04/26/2006 12:03:50 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Full Court

Say, did you know that Brother Cloud is a missionary to NEPAL?

Drats, I ruined the joke! But come to think of it, Brother Cloud sure sounds Indian to me! (But feather not dot).


126 posted on 04/26/2006 12:04:35 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Full Court

‘I believe the Bible is the inspired, authoritative word of God,’ Graham says, ‘but I don’t use the word ‘inerrant’ because it’s become a brittle divisive word.’”


And THAT Cloud says is incorrect, even though his own attack PROVES it to be true.



"While I most certainly believe that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, I do not find anywhere in the New Testament that this particular belief is necessary for personal salvation."

And THAT is like the Pharisees who load bundles of precepts and rules on their students, that even they themselves could not carry. Seems to me I read somewhere that: "If you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God rasied Him from the dead -- YOU WILL BE SAVED".

The rest is extra. Not unimportant, not incorrect, but not necessary for salvation -- which is exactly what Dr. Graham said.


And the Bible Versions the writer attacks:
Revised Standard Version: At one point, before the over-whelming acceptance of NIV, the most common pew Bible in American Churches.

JB Phillips Bible: Not really a translation, or ever promoted as one -- but a delightful adaption, true in every way to the spirit of Christianity.

The Living Bible: That would be the version that has led more English-speaking people into the scripture in the last 40 years than all other versions combined.

Good News For Modern Man: Sort of like JB Phillips, and used in thousands of Bible studies for people who would have been mystified by KJV language.


127 posted on 04/26/2006 3:56:55 AM PDT by 9999lakes
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To: 9999lakes

In the past 20 years a couple of hundred Baptist churches in the US have changed their names, without changing their Biblical stances in the least.

They've simply dropped the name Baptist from their names -- People like this Cloud are the reason. They've ruined the proud name of Baptist, and made it stink.


128 posted on 04/26/2006 4:00:17 AM PDT by 9999lakes
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To: 9999lakes

One more thing -- Graham "turned converts over to apostate churches"???

No.
He turned them over to the Holy Spirit. Then as the Spirit led, those people found their path with God. Some of them became burning beacons in their own churches. Others, with the new guiding of the Spirit, eventually found their way to other churches.

Frankly from my own experience -- EXPERIENCE I SAY -- I would expect that any of those new converts that would have gone immediately to hateful, tiny, schismistic churches {Those churches ALWAYS remain tiny, because they always are splitting over some perceived "heresy" or other} would either have been put off, and fallen away, or else became as bad as the people they found in those churches.


129 posted on 04/26/2006 4:06:27 AM PDT by 9999lakes
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To: Full Court; tutstar; Miss Maam; Michael Goldsberry; wmfights; TFMcGuire; blue-duncan; caryatid; ...
Baptist PING


I lost all respect for BG when he said
he wasn't going to say anything to Bill Clinton
about his stand on abortion and homosexuals
because he considered BC a personal friend.
130 posted on 04/26/2006 4:27:16 AM PDT by WKB (Science Fiction= Any science that omits God.)
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To: Full Court

For the discussion pleasure of Fr religion forum inhabitants
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I'm still struggling to find the truth in that statement.


131 posted on 04/26/2006 4:32:38 AM PDT by Quix (TRY JESUS. If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.-- Bible Belt Bumper Sticker)
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To: Full Court

I'm curious if you'd find his life long habit of exiting an elevator if a woman gets on when he's on alone even though it's not his floor--just to avoid any remote chance of a woman accusing him of anything and bringing disrepute to The Gospel of Jesus Christ . . .

Would you call that an immoral habit of his?


132 posted on 04/26/2006 4:34:54 AM PDT by Quix (TRY JESUS. If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.-- Bible Belt Bumper Sticker)
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To: WKB

Me too! I do not think that Franklin fell for Clinton's flim flam.


133 posted on 04/26/2006 4:41:39 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: WKB

Even tho I agree with you about Billy Graham, I wish that I had read the article before I posted.


134 posted on 04/26/2006 4:55:55 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Full Court; SouthernFreebird; xzins; Corin Stormhands; P-Marlowe; Buggman; blue-duncan; ...
His belief that infant baptism makes babies into Christians?

dude - before you go swingin with good ole Louisville hickory - y'all might want to investigate the beliefs of our church fathers - 'cause a good many held to the efficacy of infant baptism -

Rejection of infant baptism was cause for heresy back in the days of Calvin and Arminius , Luther, and a host of others

or are you foolish enough to call thier Christianity into question as well ?

I get a charge out of supposed Christians who tear down the works which stem from a true faith - ....us forum posters might haggle about Calvin or Arminius quite regularly - but we dont doubt thier belief - just the theology

this thread belies a deeper issue in your heart

135 posted on 04/26/2006 4:58:44 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (God is love, Love endures forever, Love God, Love your neighbor,)
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To: Full Court; SouthernFreebird; xzins; Corin Stormhands; P-Marlowe; Buggman; blue-duncan; ...
His belief that infant baptism makes babies into Christians?

dude - before you go swingin with good ole Louisville hickory - y'all might want to investigate the beliefs of our church fathers - 'cause a good many held to the efficacy of infant baptism -

Rejection of infant baptism was cause for heresy back in the days of Calvin and Arminius , Luther, and a host of others

or are you foolish enough to call thier Christianity into question as well ?

I get a charge out of supposed Christians who tear down the works which stem from a true faith - ....us forum posters might haggle about Calvin or Arminius quite regularly - but we dont doubt thier belief - just the theology

this thread belies a deeper issue in your heart

136 posted on 04/26/2006 4:58:47 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (God is love, Love endures forever, Love God, Love your neighbor,)
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To: Revelation 911

stop stuttering


137 posted on 04/26/2006 4:59:26 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (God is love, Love endures forever, Love God, Love your neighbor,)
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To: SouthernFreebird

A vile spew against a Godly man.


138 posted on 04/26/2006 5:10:36 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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I agree and for the life of me don't understand it.


139 posted on 04/26/2006 5:13:09 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Full Court

http://www.reformed.org/calvinism/boettner/infants_boettner.html


140 posted on 04/26/2006 5:13:36 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (God is love, Love endures forever, Love God, Love your neighbor,)
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