Posted on 03/06/2006 10:02:11 AM PST by bremenboy
"He admonishes us to use whatever instrument we can find to worship him"
Please support this with a New Testament passage. Thank you.
Since when did the Old Testament become irrelevant?
(Psalms 150:4 KJV) Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
(Isaiah 38:20 KJV) The LORD was ready to save me: therefore we will sing my songs to the stringed instruments all the days of our life in the house of the LORD.
(Habakkuk 3:19 KJV) The LORD God is my strength, and he will make my feet like hinds' feet, and he will make me to walk upon mine high places. To the chief singer on my stringed instruments.
And since you asked for an example of instruments in worship in the New Testament, here you go:
(Revelation 14:2-3 KJV) And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
This verse clearly shows that stringed instruments are a "voice" as much as vocal chords. The harps were used in worship just as they were in the old testament.
So there you have a scriptural basis for the use of instruments in the worship of God. So don't you dare tell me that my scriptually based worship, which includes scripturally sanctioned use of stringed instruments, is false doctrine and that I am not a member of the Body of Christ. You have no biblical basis to make that claim.
None.
Please provide (a minimum of) two New Testament passages which show that everything once commanded as sacred in the Old Testament is now considered unclean and profane in the New Testament. Not was-sacred-now-fulfilled, not was-profane now-sacred, but was-sacred-now-profane.
Oh, and show me a New Testament passage that condemns bestiality while you're looking.
First, we are no longer under the old covenant, so our authority for our worship would not be found in the Old Testament.
You are the one that said we are admonished by God to use whatever instrument we can find to worship him. You did not show me a New Testament verse that supports this.
Nothing has been said about musical instruments, or the use of them, being profane. This is an issue of authority.
Therefore you lose.
I have no such burden. Since we live under the New covenant, the New Testament is our authority for all we do as Christians.
God has too many "self-appointed" spokespersons.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
****I have no such burden. Since we live under the New covenant, the New Testament is our authority for all we do as Christians.****
Sounds a little bit "Marcionitish" to me. Maybe we should just tear out the OT and completly dispense with it. In fact we might as well rip out everything before the Crucifiction. NO. No. Let's go whole hog and get rid of everything before Penticost!
Sarcasm is dripping.
***Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.***
Mat 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
Mat 11:17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
Mat 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
No matter what the Christians of the world do, the C of C (Campbellites) will find fault with them.
***So, what group does "WordsofTruth.net" represent?**
Guess whoo!
The Church of Christ in El Paso, Tx.
http://www.wordsoftruth.net/elpasochurchofchrist.htm
By their fruits and doctrines you will know them.
Followers of Alexander Campbell, Semi-Pellagan.
****the christian church that is mention in the article that you read is a denomination that teaches false doctrine
therefore it would be imposable for it to be the body of Christ ****
Can we assume that this Christian Church you label as a denomination is the Deciples of Christ version(founded by Alexander Campbell) which the Churches of Christ came out of because of (gasp) INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC?
From your web site you appear to be a no-Sunday school one cup version of the C of C.
**Nothing has been said about musical instruments, or the use of them, being profane. This is an issue of authority.***
Wait a minute now, on another thread Breamboy said musical instruments would negate the church.
What I said was Biblical, nothing else. If you want to know what relevance the Old Testament has for Christians, you have to look no further than the writings of Paul.
Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that through patience and through comfort of the scriptures we might have hope.
There is plenty to learn from the Old Testament, and that is why it is included in the Bible, and why no one who is an honest Bible student would suggest otherwise. I never said the Old Testament had no purpose. I merely stated it was not our authority for what we do as Christians.
Don't waste your time with Buy. No matter what the subject of the thread he will immediately twist it into a forum where he can castigate the Church of Christ. He can't help himself, his hatred is too deep and embeded. He is own a personal vendeta and insist the the church of our Lord was founded in 1830 by Alexander Campbell. He knows nothing about the history of the church, nor does he care. So just ignore him and eventually he will go sulking away. In the meantime his post are very predictable and always against the Church of Christ.
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