Posted on 03/04/2006 10:57:37 AM PST by Full Court
Do you speak ancient Hebrew and Greek? Do you have access to the originals? Does anyone?
No.
Yes, and thanks for commenting. So what's an atheist doing in this neck of the wood?
I like to read the religious posts, it helps me understand where religious conservatives are coming from when we're speaking on other threads. Normally, I just lurk, but I thought that posters might find that commonality interesting.
Define love in this context.
I agree, it is very interesting. But on a personal level, I really do not get the appeal. Clearly they derive something from the practice, but what? I suppose it's some sort of sensory pleasure like that of LSD -- again, what's the appeal? It's like desiring to be mentally unbalanced. No thanks!!!!
"How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation."
The passage ends by saying:
"If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord."
If you want to nullify a commandment of the Lord through scriptural slight of hand, that's your choice. Romans 11:29 says, "For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." One has to wonder why you would want to reject a gift from God.
As Steve Martin's kid would say on the first day of school, "Mayo-Moo-Momma Dog-face Banana Patch" (from an early album)
What does the word tongue mean?
Do you believe it is gibberish? Or a known language?
Can you use Scripture to prove your position, because I can.
Speaking in tongues?
It merely means speaking in a foreign language. Not gibberish.
I knew a man years ago who came out of the tongues speaking movement. He said he had a hard time speaking in tongues so his preacher told him to simply say..
"Glory, Glory, glory glory gloryglorygloryglory!"
He said there were many small children trying to speak in tongues saying "glory glory glory" over and over.
I also know a man who became an atheist because his tongue speaking preachers said they could heal his retarded child. They could not.
I find the commonality very interesting and have noted it before in other places, but those who partake of the estatic will not appreciate your observation.
So you believe there is no God at all?
Why?
1) Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2) For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. 3) But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. 4) He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself,
1 Corinthian 14:1-4
Why did you leave this out?
Good for you. Paul said, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied:
for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues,
except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Do you believe that the word tongue means some kind of gibberish?
No "tongues" can mean a Earthly language or a Heavenly language, just like at Pentacost when the Holy Spirit came upon the Disciples in the upper room like cloven tongues of fire, and then they went out and spoke to the crowd that had gathered outside because they heard this mighty rushing of wind and came to investigate, which gave them the opportunity to preach the gospel to them IN THEIR OWN TONGUES. In other words, all the different people who came from different places heard the message in THEIR OWN LANGUAGE.The other tongues is heavenly, and that's why Paul says when you speak in tongues you speak to God. Why would you speak to God in an Earthly foreign language when you can speak to him in your native tongue? It's because you are not speaking. It is the Holy Spirit who is speaking through you.
Again, I ask you, is the word tongue in Scripture gibberish or a known language?
At Pentacost it was not a "heavenly" or gibberish language.
Acts 2:6
Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
I don't mean to offend anyone, I just thought that it was an interesting connection.
So you believe there is no God at all? Why?
To me, he universe is adequately explained by scientific law. But I don't begrudge anyone else their beliefs. In my opinion, anything that is generally harmless and helps someone feel happier and more fulfilled in life is a positive good.
My goodness, why don't you try reading the whole sentence before drawing conclusions. I said "tongues" can be Earthly or Heavenly, and then I gave an example of each starting with an earthly tongue example and then a heavenly example. I hope you're not a pastor or teacher, because you tend to misread what people post to you.
It doesn't offend me. :-)
My BIL is a scientist, he works at NIH and he is a Creationist.
Isn't that interesting?
Do you think there was a Big Bang?
They are languages. The Bible speaks of tongues as a spiritual gift given by God, associated with salvation. And we are commanded to include them in the church service, as shown above. Are you attempting to reduce a spiritual gift to learning another language.
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