(Taken last week.)
He's gladly given his whole life to be used of the Lord.
Posted on 03/04/2006 10:57:37 AM PST by Full Court
Since I'm not a youngun' any longer I guess I have to let that comment go about "idealistic youth."
Also, the person who wrote the article is a mature adult, older than even I and probably you, who has served the Lord for many years.
The person who wrote the second article (based I might add on Scripture and not "feelings") is a missionary to Nepal, one of the only missionaries in that region who lives there full time. He and his wife have started 19 churches and a Bible College. He's also written many well received books.
My purpose here is not to condemn anyone, but to warn others about a doctrinal error I believe is harming the body of Christ, and that is speaking in tongues and related charismatic practices.
I did that as a teenaged hellion. "Oh, so and so is a hypocrite therefore I condemn the entire congregation or denomination"......that was my excuse for not being terribly faithful till I realized I was just looking for excuses for myself.
I can't speak for you or your faithfulness, but I will tell you that my all consuming desire towards the Lord is to be found faithful. In word, deed and doctrine.
1 Timothy 4:6 ¶If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
You may ask, why is doctrine that important?
1 Timothy 4:16
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine;
continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself,
and them that hear thee.
It's very important.
Evangelicals support Hinn too.....
Most people who support Benny Hinn are Charismatic. They enable him.
I have been right next to someone erupting into tongues right after 30 minutes of praise and I believe they felt
what they uttered as well as I believe
whoever felt compelled to interpret felt it too.
Personally, I would be very suspicious of any music motivated eruption and any thing based on "feelings", your feelings can and often will be wrong.
Music often motivates estatic utterances, as mentioned already on this thread by Zero.
And you have to remember, tongues were not given to the Gentiles, they were not unknown gibberish languages and they were not for the church, they were for a sign to unsaved Jews.
And they were a known language.
....folks are there to be fed....not just preached to (which is fine).
Brother, preaching is the food. The praise and worship is supposed to be for God, not for you.
And let me tell you.....there is no nuance or ambivalence in a southern Pentecost church about right and wrong...
at one of the largest Pentalcostal churches in this area, it's quite common for the preacher to tell parents that they ought to just go ahead let their kids live like the world because if they don't, the kid will rebel anyway.
Now that's pretty stupid.
I'm glad you offered us your opinion on this thread. I believe you mean well, but I believe you are incorrect.
I hope you come back and discuss more religious topics with us.
Amen. We are fed by the praise we give to Him.
"I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high." -- Psalm 7:17
Odd how religious threads demonstrate some pretty divergent views.....last one I went on was an Osteen thread....I was negative about him btw.
I do agree with you about most Pentacostals. They are so much more conservative than most Charismatics.
I too remember them from years back. You couldjust about always beg them in K-Mart. Dresses, hair in a pun, men in long sleeved shirts.
It's funny how life has changed.
I used to be the rebel who lived rock and roll and now I'm the lady in Walmart, 44 years old with a baby on my hip, in a skirt. :-)
I personally had never heard of Benny Hinn until a year ago. What I heard was sufficient to write him off as a deceiver.
**Also, the person who wrote the article is a mature adult, older than even I and probably you, who has served the Lord for many years.**
To him I would say, "Art thou a master of Christianity and experienced not these things?" and "we speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness".
**The person who wrote the second article (based I might add on Scripture and not "feelings") is a missionary to Nepal, one of the only missionaries in that region who lives there full time. He and his wife have started 19 churches and a Bible College. He's also written many well received books.**
Is it possible to travel extensively, winning converts, and not have the truth? Jesus, talking to very religious, very devout, alms giving people, said: "..for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte.." Matt. 23:13
**I can't speak for you or your faithfulness, but I will tell you that my all consuming desire towards the Lord is to be found faithful. In word, deed and doctrine.**
Saul (a man who knew his OT, lemmee tell ya) and some likeminded sidekicks, on their way to Damascus, was equally consumed with faithfulness to the doctrine of that old covenant. With the religious elite giving him authority, he was in attack mode, against what he felt was false doctrine.
You see, Full Court, an extensive theological education, crowds of followers, big recognition among likeminded people, do not guarantee one to be right.
I'm still waiting for the refutation, from the "no unknown tongues crowd", to 1Cor. 14:2
"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him: howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries".
Goodnight,
Zuriel
The people I spoke of who wrote those articles do not have large followings nor do they seek the praise of men. They just teach and preach the Bible.
They are not well known and probably would not want to be.
But God has found them faithful, that I know.
One other thought: My missionary friend has made far more than one convert, but he'd certainly never brag on it. And he lives in Nepal among the people he ministers to.
(Taken last week.) He's gladly given his whole life to be used of the Lord.
Ping to recent photo of Bro. CLoud
You seem to imply that one can't know what is doctrinally pure and what is in error. You compare an unsaved man (Saul) to born again Bible believers and insinuate that they are wrong because of what Saul was doing.
You are so far off base it's sad.
LOL. The perfect laugh to end the night. 8~)
You are talking in circles. You said the disciples spoke their native tongue, but the hearers heard it in their own tongue. Well, the same would apply to the Diciples. The Holy Spirit enabled the Diciples to understand what they were speaking when speaking in a foreign tongue as the Holy Spirit gave them utterance. What part of "AS the Holy Spirit gave them utterance" don't you seem to understand?
I already DO. I do it as I drive to work everyday.
That having been said, however, I believe that what was recorded in the Acts of the Apostles is still open to interpretation. I do not believe they suddenly began to speak and comprehend another language but that people who were present heard them in their own languages and determined that they must be speaking in their own languages (the languages of the visitors). If the Holy Spirit ever causes me to speak in another language I will admit I was wrong and humbly seek your forgiveness.
Friends I've had who do 'Speak in Tongues' seldom seem to understand what they are saying but believe it is the direction of the Holy Spirit that they are speaking some 'other' language (and that that is OK because it is at the prompting of the Holy Spirit). I don't mind if they speak or pray 'in Tongue' and I will not criticize them but neither I will speak or pray in any but a coherent and understandable language - I will not speak a language unless I understand and comprehend what I'm saying!
Am I saying your examples of faithful service are wrong about everything? No. The topic here is tongues. I say they are in error concerning their teaching about it.
**You seem to imply that one can't know what is doctrinally pure and what is in error. You compare an unsaved man (Saul) to born again Bible believers and insinuate that they are wrong because of what Saul was doing.**
Another example then, OK? Acts 18:24-26
"And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly".
Eloquent? Mighty in the scriptures? Fervent in the spirit? But needed to be shown the way more perfectly by a who? Plain folk. A married couple that were tentmakers. Consider the humbleness of Apollos, that as gifted as he was, he was open to a witness from them.
In Acts 19:1-7 we find 'certain disciples' that appear to be some of Apollos converts from before his meeting Aquila and Priscilla. They were shown the way more perfectly by Paul, and were rebaptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. They also received the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues.
**You are so far off base it's sad.**
Yes, lowly me, just a ordinary guy with a testamony. Obey Acts 2:38; you won't regret it. You've been told. Politely. I've done my job.
Goodnight
"You are so far off base it's sad."
Are you as interested in winning souls for the Lord, as you appear to be in winning arguments for yourself?
It's not about an argument regarding me, it's about comments a poster made implying that a missionary was somewhat lacking by using a quote from Jesus.
"Is it possible to travel extensively, winning converts, and not have the truth? Jesus, talking to very religious, very devout, alms giving people, said: "..for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte.." Matt. 23:13"
The man doesn't even know the missionary or his way of life. He lives in Nepal with his wife, they raised their children there, who are all in full time ministry themselves now.
They have founded 19 churches and a Bible college. For many years, they were the only missionaries in Nepal full time and devoted their lives to the people of Nepal.
There was no reason for him to cast aspersion upon the missionary, just because he didn't agree with the article posted.
If you go back a page you can see his photo, taken by a friend of mine, who went to Nepal 2 weeks ago to help set up a radio station so they could broadcast the Gospel.
My defense is not of myself, but of a man I know to be as good a person who ever walked the earth.
It's not some unknown gibberish spoken by overly emotional woemn who are all hyped up by music from a 45 minutes "praise and worship the praise team" type service.
You can keep that mess, because it's all out of order and that isn't of God.
I say that you will have to prove your case from Scripture as they have both already done.
Since tongues were given for a sign to the unsaved Jews, how many are riding along to work with you?
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