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Where Have All the Protestants Gone?
NOR ^ | January 2006 | Thomas Storck

Posted on 02/15/2006 6:22:47 AM PST by NYer

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To: Cronos
persons who doubt the very nature of scripture -- stating that Paul's writings may not all be inspired.

This is very entertaining. Discuss predestination or salvation theology with a Protestant though and you'll get the impression that the only scrpture they ever read was Romans and Galatians.

2,021 posted on 02/27/2006 1:37:51 PM PST by annalex
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To: restornu
that was so uncalled for!

Was I impolite to you?

2,022 posted on 02/27/2006 1:40:15 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
This is very entertaining. Discuss predestination or salvation theology with a Protestant though and you'll get the impression that the only scrpture they ever read was Romans and Galatians.

That's 2 more books and about 6 more chapters than John 6.

2,023 posted on 02/27/2006 1:41:40 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Full Court

Thank you.


2,024 posted on 02/27/2006 1:45:20 PM PST by annalex
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To: SoothingDave
Bringing in non-canonical documents is pointless at this point. We're still establishing what "brother" means or does not mean. One thing at a time.

SD>{?


It meant several things, same as it does to this very day. Context. Context. Context>

I assume you agree that the first real Ecumenical Council which established the current day RCC Bible Cannon was the Council of Trent?

2,025 posted on 02/27/2006 1:51:29 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

What relevant context do you see in Matthew 1 other than Christ was born of a virgin?

John 6 does not discuss salvation and predestination. But the Gospels do, in many chapters, and it is virtually impossible to get a Protestant to discuss the healing episodes and the parables, which are essential if one wants to understand the Pauline formulae in Romans.


2,026 posted on 02/27/2006 1:51:59 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
"...Tradition is self-correcting,..."

Baloney!
2,027 posted on 02/27/2006 1:54:00 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
first real Ecumenical Council which established the current day RCC Bible Cannon was the Council of Trent?

Nonsense. The three Carthage councils did, last in AD 409. Trent did not even include the Orthodox, who nevertheless have the same books we have. Trent reiterated the inspired nature of the Deuterocanon in the face of Protestant lies.

2,028 posted on 02/27/2006 1:54:48 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
What relevant context do you see in Matthew 1 other than Christ was born of a virgin?

Apparently more than you see.

John 6 does not discuss salvation and predestination. But the Gospels do, in many chapters, and it is virtually impossible to get a Protestant to discuss the healing episodes and the parables, which are essential if one wants to understand the Pauline formulae in Romans.

What? You should have been around when these threads were 15,000 posts long.

2,029 posted on 02/27/2006 1:56:09 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: OLD REGGIE

Once again, I provide arguments and you, snarls.


2,030 posted on 02/27/2006 1:56:26 PM PST by annalex
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To: OLD REGGIE
Which Apostle James is the son of Joseph, the one who is the son of Alephus or the one who is the son of Zebedee?

If it is some other James please identify him from Scripture.

SD

2,031 posted on 02/27/2006 1:57:44 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: where HE leads me

God will bless you, don't worry about titles, when the occasions of sin present themselves , titles don't matter, I am a cradle Catholic, and I think it hard sometimes to see Christ's face in the face of the beggar etc. , but, in my opinion, that is what He wants us to do, self deny and think of others suffering, also if we have to suffer to do it in His name, then a purpose is there, welcome to Christianity and God Bless You, you might think about writing a book.


2,032 posted on 02/27/2006 2:01:04 PM PST by Keisha
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To: annalex
Nonsense. The three Carthage councils did, last in AD 409. Trent did not even include the Orthodox, who nevertheless have the same books we have. Trent reiterated the inspired nature of the Deuterocanon in the face of Protestant lies.

The Carthage Councils were LOCAL Councils.

You really should be careful when you speak of lies.

2,033 posted on 02/27/2006 2:02:51 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Quester; OLD REGGIE

you can bring in the LDS factor but it don't really has anything to do with here only to me because it has answered those questions!

But you keep missing the point I had these questions way before I became LDS at the age of 38!

So you can't reduce it LDS!

I have stuck to the Bible a few of you are aware I am LDS and can't answer my questions so you resort to my faith which has nothing to do with my focus and question!


2,034 posted on 02/27/2006 2:03:55 PM PST by restornu (words of Zenock to be crucified, of Neum to be buried in a sepulcher,of Zenos three days of darknes)
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To: annalex

FM


2,035 posted on 02/27/2006 2:05:14 PM PST by restornu (words of Zenock to be crucified, of Neum to be buried in a sepulcher,of Zenos three days of darknes)
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To: restornu
I have stuck to the Bible a few of you are aware I am LDS and can't answer my questions so you resort to my faith which has nothing to do with my focus and question!

Are you sure that you don't mean that ... you have stuck it to the Bible ?

Your post #1935 - Can you imagine when the last apostle was gone and the wars that took place and how many were killed for processing copies or even original or seal of approval!

I cringe at how many scared manuscripts were destroyed or burn!


Such is not an example of chrisitan belief ... it's pure LDS.

2,036 posted on 02/27/2006 2:10:49 PM PST by Quester
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To: annalex
Once again, I provide arguments and you, snarls.

I don't even know how to snarls. :)

I don't know how to respond when you post something as vapid as "tradition is self correcting".

How about this? "Lies become truth with the passage of time."

Please don't snarls.

2,037 posted on 02/27/2006 2:15:04 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
I see your point. Perhaps I anticipated the charge that Trent added the deuterocanonical books to the Canon, which you actually did not make. However, Carthage effectively defined the Canon for the entire Church, including the Eastern Church. Why is is important to you that Carthage was local?
2,038 posted on 02/27/2006 2:15:33 PM PST by annalex
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To: OLD REGGIE
I explained why and how Tradition is self-correcting in that post:
If I need to understand the passage I suspect is not self-evident, I can read the Catechism or talk to a priest, till that process brings a better understanding. Usually, a reference to the early Church writings closes the deal, if the Catechism is silent. That way, the meaning of a particular verse, say, Matthew 1:25 or Luke 1:28, is understood not through some archaeological analysis of surviving copies, but by evidence of understanding common to the Fathers.

Do I need to elaborate?

2,039 posted on 02/27/2006 2:17:59 PM PST by annalex
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To: SoothingDave
Which Apostle James is the son of Joseph, the one who is the son of Alephus or the one who is the son of Zebedee?

If it is some other James please identify him from Scripture.


See Acts 15. You'll find James - the brother of Jesus and the son of Mary.
2,040 posted on 02/27/2006 2:22:27 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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