How Tradition Gave Us the Bible

Assoc of Students at Catholic Colleges ^ | Mark Shea

[Buggman]

Hmm . . . if age is all that matters, given that the P'rushim (Pharisees) actually predated Christ by a century or two, and given that the Pharisees formed the basis of modern rabbinical Judaism, I guess I should stop believing in Jesus Christ altogether. Heck, paganism, Judaism, and the Nazarines (Messianic, Torah-observant Jews who believed in Yeshua) all predated Roman Catholicism.

I notice that all of the Catholics in this debate have nothing to fall back on but the logical fallacy of the appeal to tradition. Some of you, like Tex there, have also depended on appeal to ridicule and ad hominem.

This simply demonstrates to everyone that you do not trust the Scriptures to back you up in your beliefs and practices, since none of you have taken me up on my challenge to show me my error from the Scriptures.

Until one of you does so, you've lost the argument whether you recognize it or not, for Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus the Christ, whom you claim as your Lord, esteemed one word of Scripture above all of the centuries of tradition that the Pharisees and Sadducees claimed, and was willing to stand on them alone. If you truly follow Him, go and do likewise.

[TradicalRC]

of your antisemitism that is

Nice try. Point out the sins of Catholics and that's quite politically correct. Point out the sins of Israel and your an anti-Semite. I love when "conservatives" get all leftist on me. You must be proud to belong to the only sinless ethnic group in the world.

[spunkets]

"It's so funny how the protestants take Romans at face value but when it comes to this pesky little verse they come up with the most elaborate explanation of why this does not mean that Christ granted special authority to Peter."

I don't take Paul at face value, whatever that means. I also didn't address the contention that it was a verse annointing Peter as the apostle's specisl leader. You asked what the verse meant and I told you. Scripture wasn't written for a few. It was written for all.

"Peter's chair still retains that authority whether you recognize it or not."

You're welcome to believe whatever you want.

[Rutles4Ever]

Fine. I wouldn't expect you to celebrate your Sabbath on Sunday.

[Rutles4Ever]

I thought you were leaving. Hardly a reliable voice if you can't even follow through on your proclamations...

[Rutles4Ever]

If your idea of following Jesus Christ is to barge onto a Catholic thread and spew your vomit, I daresay you don't really believe in Jesus Christ to begin with.

Too bad, so sad Buggman.

Too bad.

SO SAD.

[spunkets]

The reference to Peter as rock refers to the foundation of his belief. He believed in the words spoken by Jesus. The following verse encompasses that, Matthew 7:26
" But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.

[Buggman]

*chuckle* True, true. My apologies.

[Buggman]

This Catholic thread was a throwing down of the gauntlet to Protestants, and you know it.

Don't throw down the gauntlet and then act put upon when the other guy picks it up.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Fine. I wouldn't expect you to celebrate your Sabbath on Sunday.

Don't confuse me with those who would like you to obsverve Sabbath. I was just correcting you that the 7th day does happen to fall on gregorian saturdays. Be a man and admit you were wrong.

[Rutles4Ever]

This Catholic thread was a throwing down of the gauntlet to Protestants, and you know it.

I don't know of a single instance where Catholic hijack Protestant or Jewish threads on FR. It's because we're comfortable with our faith and don't feel the need to impose it on others like those who bow to Mohammad.

BUT - if you're going to bring it, expect it back tenfold.

[Rutles4Ever]

Your posts here don't entitle you that dignity.

[PleaseNoMore]

Peter is not the only person to have been given the keys to the kingdom friend. Every believer holds within his "hands" the "keys to the kingdom" in the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Your posts here don't entitle you that dignity.

I'll take that as a "yes I was wrong".

[Rutles4Ever]

Okay, fine. I will admit it. You were right. The Jewish Sabbath was and still is observed on Saturdays.

So what anwyay? The Laws of Moses are dead to Christians. What's your purpose here, exactly except spewing your vomit?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

So what anwyay? The Laws of Moses are dead to Christians. What's your purpose here, exactly except spewing your vomit?p>There's no so what. I just didn't want you to continue on with your falsehoods. You can believe what you will about the "laws of Moses" makes no diff to me. I'm here to defend the ordinary folk. The ones that are unable to separate the chicken salad from the chicken crap, so to speak. Case in point, like the special little false nugget you just offered about the Sabbath. Things like that must not go unrefuted.

[Rutles4Ever]

What other falsehoods were there?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

What other falsehoods were there?

I'll let ya know next time you let one slip. :-)

[TexConfederate1861]

I am familiar with ALL of the scripture....

[TexConfederate1861]

It seems the rules are stacked in YOUR favor. Especially since RC's & EO believe that Holy Tradition must be taken in account......