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How Tradition Gave Us the Bible
Assoc of Students at Catholic Colleges ^ | Mark Shea

Posted on 02/06/2006 1:02:10 PM PST by NYer

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To: TexConfederate1861

Thank you!


261 posted on 02/07/2006 12:07:31 PM PST by magisterium
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To: Rutles4Ever
Bible-waving Protestant clergymen wrongly burned people at the stake for being "witches". Protestants base their faith on Scripture Alone. Thus, this display of sanctioned Protestant injustice is proof that the Bible is not inspired by God.

We'll just keep it to ourselves what sanctioned tradional Catholecism did to Jews. I wouldn't want to say anything.

262 posted on 02/07/2006 12:11:23 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Oh, you mean Pope Pius XII? That's been de-bunked over and over and over again.


263 posted on 02/07/2006 12:15:15 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Keep going, then.


264 posted on 02/07/2006 12:17:06 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: PetroniusMaximus

We also have the words of Ignatius.


265 posted on 02/07/2006 12:22:11 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: PetroniusMaximus

We also have the words of Ignatius.


266 posted on 02/07/2006 12:22:27 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: Rutles4Ever
Oh, you mean Pope Pius XII? That's been de-bunked over and over and over again.

Pretty much devoid in the history dept. eh?

267 posted on 02/07/2006 12:24:58 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Rutles4Ever

"Keep going, then. "

(chagrin)

Actually, I have to run out and buy stuff for our new baby (who is due at any minute).


268 posted on 02/07/2006 12:26:13 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: TexConfederate1861

"We also have the words of Ignatius."

Which are valuable and instructive - but not inerrant and not inspired.


(Elsewise the early Christians would have included them in the Scriptures - right???)


269 posted on 02/07/2006 12:28:25 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Your post was an attempt to deflect attention from my proof of the statement "I can see not other reason for the centuries-long attack."

Unofortunately, you offer no proof, just slander. You characterize it as an attack. I characterize it as an attempt to safeguard the faith entrusted to the Church by Christ.

BTW, I have no problem with you, either. We both love Christ, but disagree on Christ's intent for the church.

My point is that declaring the Church on "attack" against Scripture because there were active limitations on who could access Scripture (given rampant heresy) is as misguided as jumping to the conclusion that Bible-only Protestants who do bad things somehow invalidate the Bible.

In other words, if the Catholic Church has no authority to interpret Scripture, you have even less.

270 posted on 02/07/2006 12:28:35 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Congratulations, Petronius! Wish you the best!


271 posted on 02/07/2006 12:29:48 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Pretty much devoid in the history dept. eh?

That's what I thought.

272 posted on 02/07/2006 12:31:07 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever

"In other words, if the Catholic Church has no authority to interpret Scripture, you have even less."

What is LESS than "no authority"???

:) Ha!

(Sorry, I had to get that one! I'll be back at you on this stuff soon.)


273 posted on 02/07/2006 12:31:35 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Rutles4Ever
That's what I thought.

I thought it first.

274 posted on 02/07/2006 12:32:39 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: TexConfederate1861

Corrected with apologies in post #193.


275 posted on 02/07/2006 12:35:13 PM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

If there is no controlling authority, no Truth can be established. Scripture becomes whatever you and I want it to be. Kind of like moral relativism. We can read whatever parts we want from whatever angle we want to. Otherwise there would be Christian unity. There is none.

It's inconceivable that Christ would create a Church marked by theological chaos. The only way to compensate for our shortcomings as silly, impressionable, selfish human beings, is to employ the Holy Spirit in working through one vehicle unified in its teaching, and not "every man for himself".


276 posted on 02/07/2006 12:37:27 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: PetroniusMaximus

No, they kept them around as Holy Tradition. (Until a monk with Irritable Bowel Syndrome, went off on a wild tangent)


277 posted on 02/07/2006 12:39:19 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: Buggman

Nobody with the exception of his Church.


278 posted on 02/07/2006 12:41:15 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: PetroniusMaximus

One more note: Jesus only quoted Scripture to Satan, when reading in the synagogue, and with the "twelve". He used parables with the rest who had no access to the written Scripture of the Old Testament, and He didn't hesitate to tell them it was because they were too stubborn and, essentially, too stupid for their own good.


279 posted on 02/07/2006 12:43:03 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Buggman
Nobody has the authority to overturn a command given directly from the mouth of God.

This is how Jesus got into trouble, if I recall. But He wasn't abolishing, just fulfilling.

280 posted on 02/07/2006 12:44:49 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
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