Posted on 02/03/2006 1:16:40 PM PST by NYer
In years past it did indeed seem that the Catholic Church has turned a blind eye to a multitude of abuses. I got fed up years ago. We have a new Pope, and perhaps the abuses will get a hearing? That includes the whole scope, not the Schiavo marriage. That is merely an offensive blip on the screen, considering the horrors that go on.
Given that the secular law allows abortion on demand, how much is the Church bound to respect it?
I guess my fear is that rather than have a schism, things will go on much as they have, hardline on paper, permissiveness in practice, although I think there has been some reigning in as to the liturgy in some parts of the country, and I have no idea what is going on in the rest of the Catholic world, actually I do and do not like a lot of what I read about, heterodoxy.
To be objective, a lot of what we hold dear because it is traditional with a small t is the result of cultural infusion, but that is not the same as mixing the liturgy with other religions' holy books, can't remember what happened in India.
I've always liked the new mass but think that if I attended one in many parts of the world I wouldn't know where I was and not because I couldn't understand the language.
Good. I hope they nail him, and whoever allowed the wedding to happen.
Right, but canon 1090 specifically mentions "crime" so it is important to ask, whose definition of a crime.
I ask this because I think the time is approaching when the Church will have to recognize no civil law and instead rely entirely on her own internal jurisprudence. That is because the secular law is departing from the natural law not just on one issue that one might call exceptional, but more and more presents a coherent in its own way secular outlook incompatible with Christianity in toto.
" In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise again, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife. And Jesus answering, saith to them: Do ye not therefore err, because you know not the scriptures, nor the power of God? For when they shall rise again from the dead, they shall neither marry, nor be married, but are as the angels in heaven." Mark 12:23-25
"In the resurrection therefore, whose wife of them shall she be? For all the seven had her to wife. And Jesus said to them: The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they that shall be accounted worthy of that world, and of the resurrection from the dead, shall neither be married, nor take wives." Luke 20:33-35
As inexcusable as their behavior is, I think Schiavo and Mrs. Schiavo have less to answer for than the Bishop who permitted this mockery does.
In my opinion the real culprit is the democracy worship. We have gotten the notion that if enough people vote for something, then it is good enough as law. That notion is patently wrong, -- remember the famous dictum about two wolves and one sheep democratically electing the dinner menu, -- but it is our jurisprudence today. The masturbatory compulsion for more laws is a corollary, because as the innate need of justice remains frustrated, politicians think that if they only put another refinement on the big lie, the lie would ring true. It never does.
I think that "the people" tend to be conservative. The "sexual revolution" was, after all driven by the children of the elite. The Baby Boomers are split between the children of the upper classes and those of the lower classes. The latter usually vote against novelty. I mean, of course, the voters. That is why the elites have proceeded through the Courts, which are part of our social aristocracy.
I know he's trying, and he has a lot on his plate. Too many abuses have taken place over the years, and it's going to take a long time to clean it up. The seminaries will be like cleaning out the Stygian stables :/
Many years ago when Latin was the language of the Mass, no matter where on earth you went, you knew what time it would be held and you knew the language. It's sad to see what regular church services have turned into.
I like your alliteration there :-). You are definitely on to something. Since I never was much into Greek mythology or wherever that gem was coined, I googled to see if it was spelled correctly :-).
Hmmmm. A lot comes up, but check this out: Frozen restrooms, revolting rectories, and the crappiest place on Earth
"Next, we had a church rectory in Dyer, Indiana, that was reeling from the destructive forces of animal poop -- thirteen years' worth of it, to be precise. When a new pastor took over the helm of the Catholic house of worship recently, he found that his predecessor had a penchant for keeping pets in the living quarters adjacent to the church. Unfortunately that prior priest did not seem to have any housekeeping skills. The replacement priest, the Rev. Terry Steffens, was greeted in his new digs by the stench of feces deposited in prodigious quantities by dogs, cats, rabbits, hamsters, and guinea pigs."
More at link and worth clicking on the news link about the rectory. Maybe there is some symbolism here?
Then the analogy to Noah's Ark. I'm sure those animals weren't on the ark for 13 years! That page has too much poop on it for me. Just when you think you have heard everything . . .reminds me I need to change my two cat boxes today. I hate that chore! One cat now, two boxes, 'cuz that's what she's used to when I had my other one (they never got along and animals get goofy sometimes when you introduce strange ones into the household), but I don't want to digress into the loss of her again. I'm afraid if I don't keep up the two boxes, you know what cats do. I could have been like that pastor, as things got a little crazy years ago around here for awhile vis a vis pets, but not that crazy. One spot in the basement (don't like to go down there) got pretty bad, but it is all clean now and two places on the carpeting are ruined but no longer used for that, thank heaven.
That's why I don't want any more pets after this one because all my life I've cleaned up after them and enough is enough.
I'm glad the Pope Benedict loves cats, but I doubt he ever changed any litter boxes . . . but he just might have.
The legal term is "allowing her to die, as per her wishes".
Well, Terri is dead rather than living her life in the care and comfort of her family and friends who loved her. Michael didn't get an annullment - he got a court order to kill her.
I don't see how he could have gotten an annullment. Divorce was the only legal way out, but Jody wanted a church wedding, being all moral and such.
They also tend to be self-serving. I would agree that if the damn elite somehow were removed from television and the pork industry eliminated in the state and federal governments, -- in oher words if people just voted in or out issue after issue without the indirection of talkiig heads, lawyers and politicians, then we'd move the country to the right. But the improvement would be marginal (and besides, there is a good reason to preserve the checks and balances inherent in a republican form of government). The notion that people should be able to vote on moral law is wrong fundamentally; it is wrong even if they tend to vote right.
You recall, I am sure, the argumentation that in fact the blind judge delivered nothing but an abortion of law, given the absence of proof that Terri wished to be euthanised.
But I would grant you that as a practical matter the law has spoken, and an innocent disabled woman was killed in full accordance with the law, and in full perversion of the moral law. Which is my point today, that the Church should simply disregard anything produced by the secular courts, given the legal climate such as manifest in the Schiavo case.
Oh, I know for a fact that he's not blind -- I watched the video as his eyes followed the balloon around the courtroom.
You have something against blind people? They're not good enough? They can't do the job? Please point out where Judge Greer was unable to do his duty as the judge in this case due to his eyesight. One example will do.
"given the absence of proof that Terri wished to be euthanised."
Hmmmmm. I read where the judge had "clear and convincing" evidence as to Terri's wishes, the Florida standard. Maybe you're confusing this with another case.
The blind judge did not do the job. I have this something against him, yes.
If Florida legal standard allows innocent disabled women starved to death, then, like I said, screw the Florida legal standard.
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