Extra ecclesiam - Outside the Church there is no salvation.

Catholic Exchange ^ | Kevin Knight

[ovrtaxt]

Cool. I lived in Mass once about 20 years ago, for about 8 months. I don't remember there being any churches except for Catholic ones, and nobody I knew went to them. Of course, I wasn't exactly hanging with a real spiritual group back then, except for the new-agers.

[ovrtaxt]

By the way, the best Chinese restaurant that I ever went to was in Birmingham. Go figure?

[AlaninSA]

It's not a sacrament - it's a practice.

We have only seven sacraments.

[Diego1618]

Hi Joe,

Good to see and read your posts....in fine form as usual.

Diego

[ovrtaxt]

Yes, I know. My original question was, why isn't it?

But anyway, thank you for the condescending attitude, my dear FR colleague.

[Hebrews 11:6]

I consider your posting of this article to be divisive and hateful. Defend yourself, if you can.

[muawiyah]

That's why I provided a cross-reference to "The Religious Wars".

It's best to be subtle ~ Protestant to Catholic and Catholic to Protestant. That's how we can get along and not find some resorting to violence. It's worked for a long time.

[TheBrotherhood]

>Extra ecclesiam - Outside the Church there is no salvation.

True.

[TradicalRC]

Now where would you point to in scripture where it says that a specific authority must be granted in order for one to come up with an interpretation of scripture?

18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. -Matthew 16:18-19

[TradicalRC]

NYer is one of the least hateful people on FR. I can say this as one who has not always seen eye to eye with her.

I would also like to say that this is one of the most interesting threads I've run across in a long time. Catholics, Protestants and Eastern Orthodox contributing to The Greatest Dialogue in History. Thanks to all of you.

[TradicalRC]

Sorry, forgot my netiquette requiring you to be pinged when your name is mentioned.

[Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...]

Yes, I familiar with the passage you quoted.... now what you have to do is explain how these verses answer the question asked. Just posting some scriptures without explanation doesn't say much; at this point, I'm having a hard time making the connection as to why you selected these verses. And if you could, I would be interestd if you could identify who the 'rock' is in verse 18 and what are the 'keys' in verse 19.

[lastchance]

No they don't if you are going by the 7 sacraments of the Catholic and Orthodox churches. Most Protestant churches only have 2. Baptism and The Lord's Supper.

[lastchance]

The validity of the sacrament does not depend on the conduct of the priest. There is a theological term for this but it escapes me. But if the grace of Christ which is imparted through the sacrament depended on the " purity" of the priest what Catholic could ever have assurance of Christ's promises. Indeed since it is Christ Himself who acts through the priest to administer the sacrament we have no reason to fear the priest's lack of purity will block Christ's grace.

[lastchance]

I don't know why it should mess with anyone's theology. The Bible tells many stories of dreams giving revealations from God. And since it is the desire of God that all men should come to know Him and it is the desire of our hearts to find Him, it makes sense that our inner most conscience sould be most open to His truth.

[lastchance]

I would also argue that the term church of God is a descriptive term and not the same as Church of God a proper name.

[lastchance]

Hi, I am a Southern Catholic ( Florida) who takes her faith seriously. Lots of us around here.

[Alamo-Girl]

I feel we are blessed in this man. May God ever prosper him!

Amen!

[Alamo-Girl]

The true children are not those circumised in the flesh but those whose hearts have been circumcised. That has not changed.

So very true! Thank you for sharing your insights and testimony!

[Alamo-Girl]

The concept of "spiritual unity" with the apostles is distinctly Protestant and, by comparison, quite new.

To the contrary, I assert the doctrine of spiritual unity dates back to the testimony of Jesus Christ. It is the result of being born again (John 3) - the state of abiding in Him and His abiding in us (John 15) - the mind of Christ (I Cor 2) - the leading of the indwelling Spirit (Romans 8). It was Christ's prayer for us (John 17).

Theological labels simply do not matter to me at all; I immediately recognize my brothers and sisters in Christ with as much certainty as if we grew up together.