When Mozart Stunned Rome & caught a pope's attention (study in conflict between Masons & Catholics)

Zenit ^ | 01.26.06 | Elizabeth Lev

[rustbucket]

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[sitetest]

Dear rustbucket,

Thanks for the ping! I thought I'd pinged this before, but I guess I just thought I did. LOL! My memory slips as I age...

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[Argh]

I've also heard that Mozart heard it twice before writing it out from memory. I've also heard the whole story may be baloney. All I know is, whatever Mozart did or didn't do, I can now listen to a couple of terrific recordings of Allegri's Miserere any time the electricity happens to be on and the machinery's functioning. Unfortunately, I can also listen to "Purple People Eater" when the same conditions obtain. Ho hum. :^)

[Frank Sheed]

Nice try Tex! It all sounds so good and innocuous. You'll swear on whatever is "holy" in a particular country including a Torah, a Koran or a Buddhist holy book and you never mention Jesus. You swore on a Bible in the US. Go to a Muslim country, however, and you'll swear on the Koran. You use the term "the Saints John" in your texts (meaning the Evangelist and the Baptist) but nowhere mention Christ nor can you. And just what is that Grand Architect thing... Oh, and the trampling on the Papal Tiara in the 33rd degree is not meant to be anti-Catholic I suppose? Just a "traveling man," I see.

[MeanWestTexan]

The York Rite is strictly Christian, and Christ is mentioned throughout.

I am not Scottish Rite, but I have seen the supposed "secret" 33 degree ceremony (it's public in reality), and there was no smashing of anything. There was the pledge of allegence to the US and Texas flags, a prayer to the God of Abraham, in the name of the Lion of Judah (that's Christ, BTW), and a speech about how the recepient had done so much for his community flying chidlren to Dallas for cancer treatment and other treatments.

Then he was given a Golden Trowel, which was to remind him to spread the cement of brotherly love to among all men.

We then ate fried fish and had some beer. Our wives took picutres.

Terrible stuff.

As for the other nonsense you spout (without actual knowledge), there are lots of people who call themselves freemasons who are not, just like those two RC nuns who took oaths and now call themselves priests and that nut who shows up at funerals and calls himself a Baptist minsiter.

If you think Paul Revere, George Washington, Ben Franklin and all the rest are such bad people with bad ideas, perhaps you should leave the country.

[Frank Sheed]

http://www.godonthe.net/cme/links/masons.htm

Boaz!

[MeanWestTexan]

Well, I guess the Salvation Army, the Boy Scouts, the US Marines, and Baylor Baptist University were all founded by Satanists, not to mention the old hard-ass ArchBishop of Canterberry before the current weak-kneed loser.

In seriousness, the source of all those slanders can be traced to a Frenchman who got kicked out and published a memoir. He later recanted.

The Nazis were deathly afraid of the Masons and republished his tracts becasue the Masons were virulently anti-Nazi and active in helping Jews flee the country.

The people who spread the nonsense like the website you linked to continue the Nazi's slander.

It does the Devil's work to mindlessly slander a good organization parroting this old nonsense.

Go to any long list of masons and look at the good men and good works they have done --- Paul Revere, George Washington, Ben Franklin, about half the Medal of Honor recepients, etc.

Then look at who has hated masons: Nazis, Hamas, Osama Bin Landen just went on a rant against masons, etc.

Pick your side.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Well, Mary Hardin Baylor was rescued by a relative of John Wesley Hardin (the guy who who shot a man for snorring.)

[afraidfortherepublic]

Delightful post and excellent epilogue. Thank you.

[ko_kyi]

In case any FReepers are unfamiliar, the Miserere is a pretty straightforward piece of music to copy from memory if you are a genius like Mozart.

It consists of two 4-voice SATB choirs, each of which repeats its 1 minute section about 8 times note-for-note, with only the lyrics changing. Between each choir's part there is a chant segue. Then there is an ending movement, about 1 minute long.

Assuming he was able to get the lyrics elsewhere, I find the story fairly easy to believe.

[Cicero]

I've seen The Magic Flute performed quite a number of times. I have reservations about the Masons, but I can't see any great problems with the Opera.

There are distinct signs that Mozart changed his opinion about what The Queen of the Night represents--good or evil--during the course of the opera, but who cares? There's so much wonderful music, and also comic music in it.

[GOP_Thug_Mom]

I know that this is an old post, but I was doing a search on FR. I thought I'd let you know that when someone first joins the Masons, part of their ceremony requires making a vow to follow all FUTURE vows, even though they don't know what they are yet. Each of the 33 degrees has a separate vow as you work up the "ladder"---or should I say down...