Mel Gibson, dad back church

Religion News ^ | Jan 26th, 2006

[1stFreedom]

>>an ultraconservative branch of Catholicism that rejects the liturgical reforms adopted

Which makes them not Catholic, but apostate...

[Pyro7480]

This has been already posted on FR.

[laney]

Well I don't know about that...Mass use to be always said in Latin...

[laney]

Well I did not see it?

[1stFreedom]

Really?

Hmm.. Prior to latin, it was said in Greek, Aramaic, etc.

[donbosco74]

Let's see: the rejection of liturgical reforms adopted by Protestants constitutes apostacy? That would make Pope Leo XIII an "apostate" by your useage of the word, because he proclaimed the Anglican orders invalid, along with the new rite of liturgy that they were using, which, by the way, is more "traditional" than the Novus Ordo liturgy.

In case you don't quite get the connection, I'll explain it. The Novus Ordo liturgy (in various permutations of its never-ending morphology) is used by some Protestant religious assemblies because it contains nothing that offends their sensibilities. Therefore it is, in fact, "adopted" by some Protestants. It is not offensive to their ears. It is, however, offensive to the pious ears of traditional Catholics, and, I submit to you, it would have been offensive to the pious ears of any saint on the traditional Catholic calendar.

One saint that didn't quite make that calendar was Padre Pio, because he died after the calendar was abandoned by the harbingers of the "liturgical reforms adopted." But in case you didn't know, Padre Pio found the Novus Ordo not only offensive to pious ears, but repulsive and nauseating. He was given a special "dispensation" (illicit and insulting to him) to offer only the Traditional Latin Mass, which he loved, while other priests in his company were ordered to use the New Rite (an illicit and insulting order for them as well).

Therefore, you would make not only Pope Leo XIII "apostate," but you would St. Padre Pio, as well.

Shame on you!

[wallcrawlr]

If you say that you should post a link.

I'd go the original thread and read the comments.

[Pyro7480]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1564660/posts

[1stFreedom]

Your response is silly.

[jecIIny]

While I agree that post 7 was silly and unnecessarily strident in tone, the general point is correct. Post 2 refers to anyone rejecting the reformed liturgy of the Roman Church as an apostate. That is not accurate. The word schismatic may be fair in some cases, especially for those who have separated themselves from communion with the Roman see. But apostasy requires a formal rejection of some clearly defined doctrine of the Catholic Faith. Disagreeing with the church about the wisdom of the liturgical reforms is not apostasy.

On a side note if anyone is interested in acquiring a pre-Vatican II Alter Missal (Tridentine Rite) I am selling one. Feel free to freep mail me for details.

[donbosco74]

So, you are not willing to engage in an intelligible discussion, and that's why you say my challenge is "silly?"

You are supposed to be old enough to converse here. You had better go get permission from your legal guardian.

[donbosco74]

Unnecessarily strident in tone, eh? I'll have to think about that one. I was merely using my God-given instinct for rhetorical precision. I am not very talented, but I don't want to blow anyone off with too much strident-ness. Hmm...

As for "silly," I fail to see any hint of that. Could you tell me in what way, exactly, my post was "silly?" Is making a comparison between two similar situations separated by merely one century all it takes to make it silly? Or, is the technique of calling to attention the fact that there are saints who defended the traditional Church in the face of popular defection of the Faith somehow not to be considered when we contemplate our present situation? I have a lot more saints to choose from. Is the evidence too compelling?

I'm trying not to be too "strident." Is it working?

[Rosary]

Way to go bosco

[donbosco74]

Hey, Rose, do you think I'm unnecessarily strident? I chew Trident gum sometimes while walking. Is that being "strident?" I don't recall being accused of that before. Maybe that's a compliment. Maybe I'm improving?

Have you heard about the new release from Kate O'Beirne? It's called Women Who Make the World Worse: And How Their Radical Feminist Assault Is Ruining Our Schools, Families, Military, and Sports. Amazon is said to have pulled out more than half of the negative reviews they had posted, and the book's rating went up to 4 stars. They might be trying to get in on the rapidly increasing sales. Denis Prager interviewed her yesterday and she was very educational for him, which he was not unwilling to acknowledge on the air. This book might be significant in the arena of exposing Feminism for its self-contradictions and pretension.

[Rosary]

Bosco,nope I don't think you're "strident" at all..as a mattter of fact,I looked it up;
Strident-Harsh-sounding-creeking ,shrill
But chewing the trident gum while walking made my day!LOL that was a good one!
Nope haven't heard about the "lady' but no loss there- way tooo many strident things to be said ..on liberal gals!
Keep up that gum chewing! LOL I think I'll try it!

[donbosco74]

You saved me the trouble. I was starting to wonder if there was a usage for strident that I was not familiar with. Perhaps some kind of slang or gangsta? Oh! I know; I'll demonstrate the appropriate usage of the term for you: It is instructive to me that Mel has his wits about him. He was arguably on equal creativity in his filming of Passion as in his promotion of same. He created a cinematographic masterpiece and then played the MSM like a fine musical instrument in marketing it. Now, he's up to another project, in which the usual critics are apparently unable to link his money to his ostensible accomplishment. Fascinating. They want to find something to whine about, but he might have already taught them a lesson: when their strident denouncement of his intentions during the filming of The Passion of the Christ ended up giving him free publicity -- and probably a larger audience: just the opposite of what his detractors would have desired had happened. I'll never forget how the calumnies began full throttle at the very START of his shooting, a curious anomaly I suspect is an historical first. He forged on ahead, undaunted. Now, a property aquisition by a foundation his name is not even on makes the MSM tremble. What a joke! How many parcels of real estate change hands every day and it doesn't make any headlines?

[kstewskis]

Have you heard about the new release from Kate O'Beirne? It's called Women Who Make the World Worse: And How Their Radical Feminist Assault Is Ruining Our Schools, Families, Military, and Sports. This book might be significant in the arena of exposing Feminism for its self-contradictions and pretension.

I saw her on EWTN about three weeks ago, and had to get her book.

I'm about a 1/3 of the way through , and it is awesome. She is hits home runs right and left, and highly recommend it to anyone (male or female) who wants to get the truth about radical feminism and it's destruction to our society.

And here, in case you run out. I hope you like "Tridentberry" :)

[donbosco74]

You made me feel good. Just this afternoon I ordered my copy on Amazon/Borders because I had to get another book there too, and the shipping could then be free. They let you see a few pages, and it looks to good to pass up. Now hearing your approval, I'm looking forward to its arrival.

And thanks for the gum. It just hit me: if I chew Dentyne and Trident at the same time, does that make me TriDent-yne? Or, can I just chew three pieces of Dentyne at once to be tri-Dentyne?

Just thought you might know.

[Rosary]

Good one Bosco- NBCFOX ECT were 'strident' towards Mel Gibson and CHRIST. As for Mel and his Dad love them !