Contradictions Between the Book of Mormon and the Bible

Institute for Religious Research ^ | 1999 | Luke P. Wilson

[restornu]

You might find what you are looking for on this link

http://scriptures.lds.org/

There is a Guide to the Scriptures Bible Dictionary • Topical Guide • Index

[Californiajones]

Okay, found it. The “angel” Moroni said it.

In THE BOOK OF ETHER CHAPTER 3 - 17 “And now, as I, Moroni, said I could not make a full account of these things which are written, therefore it sufficeth me to say that Jesus showed himself unto this man in the spirit, even after the manner and in the likeness of the same body even as he showed himself unto the Nephites.”

This makes no sense. Either Jesus was Spirit or Flesh after the Resurrection.

It is a vitally important point, and it is contradictory even within the Book of Mormon because the passage in the Nephites that Moroni refers to reads that Jesus had the South American people put their hands on his wounds.

"Ne. 3. 11 " ... and the Lord spake unto them saying: Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world.

15 And it came to pass that the multitude went forth, and thrust their hands into his side, and did feel the prints of the nails in his hands and in his feet; and this they did do, going forth one by one until they had all gone forth, and did see with their eyes and did feel with their hands, and did know of a surety and did bear record, that it was he, of whom it was written by the prophets, that should come.

16 And when they had all gone forth and had witnessed for themselves, they did cry out with one accord, saying:

So, either the Jesus of Mormonism showed himself to people as flesh or he showed himself as spirit. The bit from the angel Moroni makes absolutely no sense and purposely confuses the issue.

It is a vitally important point for Christians because if He is not Risen from Death, then WE have NO chance as BELIEVERS of overcoming our own "death" that we deserve as sinners. We have no chance of changing. We are damned without Jesus's bodily resurrection in the flesh. He had to come in the flesh and be raised in the flesh for the Cross to have power.

Now the Book of Mormon, here in the "book of Eter" cavorts with a Biblical sounding licentiousness. It is almost humorous -- how much of the Book of Mormon is taken directly -- though ALWAYS out of context -- from the Bible. For example, when Jesus was talking to His disciples AFTER the resurrection, He was not telling them the same type of ministry things He was saying before -- that they were to go out two by two, etc.

But the Book of Mormon has Jesus saying all the things He instructed His disciples for the time period of His three year ministry before the Cross. After the Cross and the Resurrection, Jesus had very different things to say -- the words to Peter to "Feed My Sheep" three times -- as a way of showing His forgiveness for the three times Peter denied Him when He was arrested.

After He had risen, Jesus was pointing to Pentecost and the time when the Spirit would come to teach them (and us) all things -- because it was better that He go to heaven than to stay on earth. Again God is so practical! The Spirit can fall all over the earth. Jesus could only walk and minister within a hundred mile radius in Israel.

All this to say that the Devil is a wily and ancient and crafty foe. The section of the "Book of Eter" makes no sense. Either Jesus came in the spirit or he was in the flesh.

if He was only resurrected in the spirit -- then we do not have the power over death He promised. (John Donne's poetry again -- Death Be Not Proud -- Death, where is thy sting? Death, thou art .... dead. !!!)

But the Devil can't deal with this, nor can he deal with John's admonition that the way to test the Spirits is to see if they deny that Jesus has come in the flesh.

You Mormon fellows. Please, please please. Just consider how well the Enemy knows the Word, he’s had a long time to study it. Your Book of Mormon reads like a gobbledy goop of Biblical sounding phrases and out of context Biblical rules and admonitions, delivered to people and supernatural beings who have pseudo sounding Biblical names and countenances - but – it doesn’t make sense.

And the part in Doctrine and Covenants where Joseph Smith tells people how to distinguish between demons and angels? He says it is by the sincerity or feel of their handshake?

This is very sad. The Book of Mormon is a crafty book that goes right against the Bible. Nuff said.

[Californiajones]

Okay, found it. The “angel” Moroni said it.

In THE BOOK OF ETHER CHAPTER 3 - 17 “And now, as I, Moroni, said I could not make a full account of these things which are written, therefore it sufficeth me to say that Jesus showed himself unto this man in the spirit, even after the manner and in the likeness of the same body even as he showed himself unto the Nephites.”

This makes no sense. Either Jesus was Spirit or Flesh after the Resurrection.

It is a vitally important point, and it is contradictory even within the Book of Mormon because the passage in the Nephites that Moroni refers to reads that Jesus had the South American people put their hands on his wounds.

"Ne. 3. 11 " ... and the Lord spake unto them saying: Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world.

15 And it came to pass that the multitude went forth, and thrust their hands into his side, and did feel the prints of the nails in his hands and in his feet; and this they did do, going forth one by one until they had all gone forth, and did see with their eyes and did feel with their hands, and did know of a surety and did bear record, that it was he, of whom it was written by the prophets, that should come.

16 And when they had all gone forth and had witnessed for themselves, they did cry out with one accord, saying:

So, either the Jesus of Mormonism showed himself to people as flesh or he showed himself as spirit. The bit from the angel Moroni makes absolutely no sense and purposely confuses the issue.

It is a vitally important point for Christians because if He is not Risen from Death, then WE have NO chance as BELIEVERS of overcoming our own "death" that we deserve as sinners. We have no chance of changing. We are damned without Jesus's bodily resurrection in the flesh. He had to come in the flesh and be raised in the flesh for the Cross to have power.

Now the Book of Mormon, here in the "book of Eter" cavorts with a Biblical sounding licentiousness. It is almost humorous -- how much of the Book of Mormon is taken directly -- though ALWAYS out of context -- from the Bible. For example, when Jesus was talking to His disciples AFTER the resurrection, He was not telling them the same type of ministry things He was saying before -- that they were to go out two by two, etc.

But the Book of Mormon has Jesus saying all the things He instructed His disciples for the time period of His three year ministry before the Cross. After the Cross and the Resurrection, Jesus had very different things to say -- the words to Peter to "Feed My Sheep" three times -- as a way of showing His forgiveness for the three times Peter denied Him when He was arrested.

After He had risen, Jesus was pointing to Pentecost and the time when the Spirit would come to teach them (and us) all things -- because it was better that He go to heaven than to stay on earth. Again God is so practical! The Spirit can fall all over the earth. Jesus could only walk and minister within a hundred mile radius in Israel.

All this to say that the Devil is a wily and ancient and crafty foe. The section of the "Book of Eter" makes no sense. Either Jesus came in the spirit or he was in the flesh.

if He was only resurrected in the spirit -- then we do not have the power over death He promised. (John Donne's poetry again -- Death Be Not Proud -- Death, where is thy sting? Death, thou art .... dead. !!!)

But the Devil can't deal with this, nor can he deal with John's admonition that the way to test the Spirits is to see if they deny that Jesus has come in the flesh.

You Mormon fellows. Please, please please. Just consider how well the Enemy knows the Word, he’s had a long time to study it. Your Book of Mormon reads like a gobbledy goop of Biblical sounding phrases and out of context Biblical rules and admonitions, delivered to people and supernatural beings who have pseudo sounding Biblical names and countenances - but – it doesn’t make sense.

And the part in Doctrine and Covenants where Joseph Smith tells people how to distinguish between demons and angels? He says it is by the sincerity or feel of their handshake?

This is very sad. The Book of Mormon is a crafty book that goes right against the Bible. Nuff said.

[restornu]

Since you are not a scholar of the Book of Mormon what prompted you to ask or try to show this?

Just curious where you got this idea from?

[restornu]

3 Nephi 3 11-18 This was 34 AD

Ether was during the Tower of Bable around 600 BC Jesus had not incarnate into the earth yet!

Moroni 421 AD

[restornu]

I want to thank you it like getting tested and one is being quiz just how well they know their scriptures!

I know the Book of Mormon testify to Jesus Christ as well as the Bible inspite of the missing scriptures or losted books that are noted in the Bible and also the Book of Mormon!

[restornu]

Jesus Christ did witness the Heavenly Father incarnate who once was without sin, so too was Jesus do as his Father did!


1 Tim 16
.And without controversy
.great is the mystery of godliness:
.God was manifest in the flesh,
.justified in the Spirit,
.seen of angels, .
.preached unto the Gentiles,
.believed on in the world,
.received up into glory.

John 5
.Then answered Jesus and said unto them,
.Verily, verily, I say unto you,
.The Son can do nothing of himself,
.but what he seeth the Father do:
.for what things soever he doeth,
.these also doeth the Son likewise.

John 5 20
.For the Father loveth the Son,
.and sheweth him all things that himself doeth:
.and he will shew him greater works than these,
.that ye may marvel.

21
.For as the Father raiseth up the dead,
.and quickeneth them;
.even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

22
.For the Father judgeth no man,
.but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23
.That all men should honour the Son,
.even as they honour the Father.
.He that honoureth not the Son
.honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

24
.Verily, verily, I say unto you,
.He that heareth my word,
.and believeth on him that sent me,
.hath everlasting life,
.and shall not come into condemnation;
.but is passed from death unto life.

25
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
.The hour is coming, and now is,
.when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God:
.and they that hear shall live.

26
.For as the Father hath life in himself;
.so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

27
.And hath given him authority to execute judgment also,
.because he is the Son of man.

28
.Marvel not at this:
.for the hour is coming,
.in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29
.And shall come forth;
.they that have done good,
.unto the resurrection of life;
.and they that have done evil,
.unto the resurrection of damnation.

30
.I can of mine own self do nothing:
.as I hear, I judge:
.and my judgment is just;
.because I seek not mine own will,
.but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

[Old Mountain man]

The Lord Jesus Christ is Risen and you should not worship the weapon used to murder Him.

[Sloth]

Most of these have some validity, but points #1 and #4 merely show that Mormonism contradicts *Calvinism*, not the Bible.

[colorcountry]

No one "worships" the murder weapon. It is simply used to remeber his sacrafice.

Remember, OMM, Our worship is all about God and whatever it is whether a song, or a poem or an image that reminds us of his atonement, it is perfectly fine in his sight. It is Him we worship, not the cross.

[restornu]

It is Him we worship, not the cross.

Amen

[Old Mountain man]

Just making sure. We all take up the burden of the cross when we make the committment to become Christians but the Lord is living and running things today.

[colorcountry]

Amen, he is our living Lord.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your reply and your insights!

I might note that I have sometimes been in the company of church people where the spirit of generosity has been absent.

Seems to me that the fruits of the Spirit cannot be faked.

Loyality to one's confession and diligence in good deeds cannot produce these properties of Light: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness and self-control. Only the Spirit can do that because they are properties of Who He is.

[GOPPachyderm]

Interestingly, Joseph Smith "translated" the gold tablets into King James English complete with poor grammar, despite the fact the source was reportedly Lost Tribes Jews. Also part of the New Testament (and some Josephus)appear, which is strange since the Lost Tribes would have been separated from that part of the world for many centuries.

[Californiajones]

"Since you are not a scholar of the Book of Mormon what prompted you to ask or try to show this? Just curious where you got this idea from?"

I got the "idea" from First John. In the New Testament.

Did you think, even as an eighteen year old girl who barely knew the Bible, that I would just make up some test about how to test the spirits as to whether or not the angels and supernatural beings in the Book of Mormon were from God?

Of course, even then, I was using this famous scripture from 1 John to see if the Book of Mormon lined up with the Bible:

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[restornu]

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Psalm 82
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. .

Hosea 1
10 ¶ Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

15 ¶ The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 ¶ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

****

John 10
30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

1 Jn. 3:
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 Jn. 4:
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1 Jn. 5:
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

[Quester]

Psalm 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Obviously, there is difference between God and the gods He judges.

Moreover ... these are judges upon the earth, ... who are executing unjust judgement over God's people.

And they die ... and fall.

Is this what Mormons aspire to ?

[restornu]

Is this what Mormons aspire to?

The LDS aspires to do the will of the Lord!

Thy will be done oh Lord not mine

A natural man will be changed into a new person who is sanctified and pure, born again in Christ Jesus (2 Cor. 5: 17; Mosiah 3: 19). ***

Matt. 5:
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Luke 6:
40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

Lets examin again-

1 Tim 3:16
.And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
.God was manifest in the flesh,
.justified in the Spirit,
.seen of angels,
.preached unto the Gentiles,
.believed on in the world, received up into glory.

In Glaatians we see some this discussion of 1 Tim 3 carried on...

GAl 3
1 O FOOLISH Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2
.This only would I learn of you,
.Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law,
.or by the hearing of faith?

3
.Are ye so foolish?
.having begun in the Spirit,
.are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 .Have ye suffered so many things in vain?
.if it be yet in vain.

Eph.4
1 I THEREFORE, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed,and heirs according to the promise.

John 10
30 I and my Father are one.

This whole journey is For the perfecting of the saints to become one with so we will become ONE in Christ Jesus.

just like Jesus Christ and his Father in Heaven are ONE, we too are to be ONE in Jesus Christ! Malachi 2
10 .Have we not all one father?
.hath not one God created us?
.why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother,
.by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

The Covenant is to keep the Lord's Commandments so we will become join heirs!

Rom. 8:
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.