Posted on 01/10/2006 4:14:51 AM PST by Quester
That's pride???? Man, I'm glad you don't sit in the Judgement Seat.
I wasn't judging you in any way ... I was merely assenting with colorcountry that pride is a sin in the eyes of God.
I was taught this also when I was a Mormon. I was told that it was dangerous for me to read the Bible and interpret it for myself, especially since there were errors due to translation.
After over 20 years of being a Godless heathen, God brought me to my knees, he allowed me to be broken and humbled by life's experiences. In my pain I turned to the Bible. I started at Matthew and read it all the way through. This time I read it with the eyes of a humbled infant. Some parts didn't make sense...I skimmed over them and greedily absorbed the rest. When I was through reading, I started again because the first time had brought me such a sense of a loving God that loved ME.
It seemed the Bible had changed, from the first reading, my understanding had developed and grown and now I understood the parts I had skimmed the first time. I didn't need someone to place the scriptures in "context," God was speaking directly to me. It is his WORD and he has given you the "talent" to understand it.
The authors of the Books of the Bible all had context, not merely a series of verses to pull out at will for attack purposes. Even Baptists know that, although you wouldn't know it from the preaching. For instance, this paragraph has a context. Nobody in the Church has ever suggested to me some sort of "context" that I am supposed to read into scripture. I'm supposed to figure that out for myself with the help of the Holy Ghost.
Yes, but I thought you gyus didn't have to worry about that sort of thing because you don't have to be obedient to God's Commandments. Get that straight now, because that's what I keep hearing from the anti mormon crowd.
As well as segregated churches - oh yeah, that was you guys.
That's right...I just challenged you to read it.
Nothing wrong with that is there?
If you flaunt God's commands, that means you are not "of" Him. You are not saved.
I have. Next issue.
Like I said, you guys need to get it together because all the anti-mormons have preached to me is that salvation is by grace alone and that works don't matter. Obedience is a work.
Obediency by your will is a work. Obedience by His will is salvation.
Yes, but I thought you gyus didn't have to worry about that sort of thing because you don't have to be obedient to God's Commandments. Get that straight now, because that's what I keep hearing from the anti mormon crowd.
As God's children, ... we are called to be obedient to our Heavenly Father.
All christians believe this.
P.S. - are you saying that those who point out the differences between Mormon belief and historical Christian belief are ... anti-Mormon ?
Didn't Joseph Smith used to do the same thing ?
Wasn't that the basis for the entire Mormon experience ... that he wasn't satisfied with historical Chrisitan belief ?
That's interesting. Makes no sense, though.
It does to a Christian.
Re: Obedience
I am so glad we both understand that. Many others here are not able to understand that. In fact, some think they are not able to be obedient without The Lord working His Will.
No, it doesn't.
Quester,
Do you understand what I meant when I said. Obedience by your will is works, obedience by His will is salvation?
BALDERDASH!
I don't know what happened to you, but I believe the Church is true. Perhaps a good counselor could help you resolve your hatred.
Let me further clarify...because I'm not all that good at explaining this.
The heathen believes:
* Good works are not necessary at all.
I see the merit in not killing. If I kill, I could lose my freedom. Or I desire to not hurt another human being.
People who call themselves Christian, but are not truly saved believe:
*Good works are necessary to increase merit.
If I obey the commandments of God, I will go to heaven, gain eternal life, be married for time and all eternity, or become a God. I do works in order that I might receive.
The true Christian believes:
*Good works always accompany true faith.
Those who are saved will always show their faith by good works. They are already saved, they don't look to gain reward. They do works only because of their Faith.
It does not mean that all who do good works are saved. Even the past two examples can do good works.
OMM,
I do not hate you. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I have hate. Please don't resort to the blame game. I have been accused on this site, by Mormons who accuse me of having an alcohol problem, sexual problem, or other doctrinal problem because I have found Christ, and left my Mormon religion.
This doesn't mean I hate.
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