Posted on 11/22/2005 7:26:10 AM PST by NYer
SD! Always a pleasure!
"People celebrate lots of things."
Not in the Church.
"That is different from worship. That's why there are two different words"
The words are very similar. Worship IS a form of celebration.
I know the words look similar, but they don't mean the same thing. Once again, we see how protestantism and YOPIOS introduce error into the world.
Sad, really.
If people want to build a beautiful church what's it to you?
Humpty Dumpty, I presume?
What's it to him?
It's to him to falsely blur it or conflate it or smear it with paganism. That's what it is to him.
If God is interested in the "best" then why did He allow His Son to be born in a manger?
Now you must be pulling out legs. You are refuting the idea now that God wants the best from us?
Do you wear stinky, muddy old jeans to Church service and refuse to wash your hair?
SD
"Cute ... clever, even. But misguided. "
Yes, I am very familiar with the verses describing the glory of Christ.
But you know what, he chose to leave all that behind when he came to earth.
Yet for some reason we think it's ok to pursue glory down here - as long as we do it "for God's sake".
"You're mistaking idols for icons."
IF, if somewhere in this wide world an icon was being misused as an idol - would you say that it would be ok to pull it down.
I'm quite certain He chose to return to all that when He ascended into Heaven.
So I'll move on, to the Inquisition:
The Inquisition? Yes, let’s not be shy. The Inquisition is every Catholic-basher’s favorite tool of abuse — though it is one that is very much not in the basher’s favor. There were several Inquisitions. The first in order of importance in Catholic history was the Inquisition against the Albigensians — a heresy that encouraged suicide, euthanasia, abortion, sodomy, fornication, and other modern ideas that were distasteful to the medieval mind. The struggle against the Albigensians erupted into war — and a war that could not be carefully trammeled within crusading boundaries. So Pope Gregory IX entrusted the final excision of the Albigensian heresy to the scalpel of the Inquisition rather than the sword of the Crusader.
Modern American popular culture and Democratic Party politics looks an awful lot like Albigensianism. The more things change ... In many ways, that popular culture of assisted suicide, abortion, sodomy, etc. is infecting parts of the Church (and has overwhelmed many protestant ecclesial communities). By looking at history, we can learn where we need to currently apply our efforts at Temple Cleansing.
True enough. Worship is a form of celebration. Worship is also reverent love, it is honor, and more. Not all celebration is worship. For example, birthday celebrations are not worship, yet they are celebrations.
"If people want to build a beautiful church what's it to you?"
We are discussing the proposition that the Church should "celebrate beauty". My basic contention is that real beauty is spiritual truth and not outward form or pomp.
"Not all celebration is worship. For example, birthday celebrations are not worship, yet they are celebrations."
And the Church's mission is the celebration of Christ.
To pursue some watered down exhaltation of "beauty" is to play into the hands of the world.
If an icon is being denied respect in any way, and that includes using it as an idol, then the icon needs to be rescued from the abusers and shown proper respect.
"I'm quite certain He chose to return to all that when He ascended into Heaven."
Indeed he did. Perhaps we should follow his example and leave the "glory" for heaven also.
Psalm 50 - Out of Zion, perfect in its beauty, God reveals Himself in glory.
True. Touchdown celebrations are not worship either, except at Notre Dame.
SD
Geek. ;-)
Remember, there are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who get Boolean and those who don't.
SD
"The Catholic Church leaves such Talibanism to the Protestants and iconoclastic heresies."
"now there is a fine example of catholic bigotry and self delusion. BTW, the article was a nice piece of revisionist history as well."
My post was actually a criticism of people within my church. But now that you mention it, the destruction of the Buddas by the Talaban pales in comparison to the destruction of Henry VIII. He destroyed hundreds of monasteries so that he could steal the land to redistribute to his co-conspirators. The history written by the Protestants dwells on the theology of the Reformation, but ignores the greed.
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