LifeTeen founder arrested

catholic world news ^ | 11.21.05 | cwnews.com

[TotusTuus]

Even considering that this is the New Times, things do not look good for Fr. Fushek. Not good at all.

On a brighter note, Bishop Olmsted is not O'Brien.

[TotusTuus]

St. John's Seminary in Camarillo, California

It must be borne in mind that Phoenix does not have seminary. This had been one of the primary seminaries used by Phoenix for the longest time.

[Dominick]

Can you call a paper objective that uses a picture of leering Priests and has a girl in a skintight devil suit as illustrations?

Give me a break! I don't like life teen, and I don't send my kids there, I don't advocate it, and it is at ONE parish in my diocese.

I do not like a Priest being railroaded. What is the standard of justice. Does any accusation at all disqualify a man, or must it be believable. Does circumstances make this believable?

[Dominick]

ping

[murphE]

I do not like a Priest being railroaded.

Yes, I'm sure Fr. Fushek is just being railroaded. He's not evil, just misunderstood.

If you have concern about priests being railroaded, here is worthy of support:

Fr. Joe Clark

[wideawake]

Trust me, I'm no fan of LifeTeen or its liturgy. However, despite its poppy and casual approach LifeTeen still promoted the full content of the Catechism.

[murphE]

However, despite its poppy and casual approach LifeTeen still promoted the full content of the Catechism.

Sure it has.

LIFE TEEN Mass

MORE HERE

[Dominick]

My question is what is the standard for removal from the priesthood. I read through and the most serious thing I saw was the hot tub incident.

Is it evil to molest a teen? Yes indeed, it is spiritual murder. Is Fr. Fushek guilty of this, or are the allegations strong enough to remove him? I am not sure.

[murphE]

Is Fr. Fushek guilty of this, or are the allegations strong enough to remove him? I am not sure.

Do you really think that the standard of proof to remove a priest from contact with the laity needs to be as strong as that to convict him in a jury trial? For crying out loud think of how many souls one bad priest can harm.

[wideawake]

Your link provides exactly no information as to whether or not LifeTeen as a group has affirmed the whole Catechism.

[murphE]

First of all which catechism? And secondly, do you think that mass is affirming what the Church teaches about the mass? Is it even in line with the GIRM for NO masses?

[wideawake]

(1) The Catechism of the Catholic Church.

(2) The GIRM can still be adapted by the local ordinary according to circumstance.

Again, you've provided no evidence that LifeTeen dissents from the Catechism or contradicts the Catechism in the Catechism classes it gives.

[murphE]

Your original comment:

despite its poppy and casual approach LifeTeen still promoted the full content of the Catechism.

That mass does nothing of the kind. In that one image anyone can see that mass promotes irreverence and sacrilege (and we don't even know what was said in homily or who was allowed to give it). Irreverence and sacrilege are definitely not part of any catechism, even the new one.

(2) The GIRM can still be adapted by the local ordinary according to circumstance.

LOL! Right, the only rules are is that there are no rules. Therefor there can be no such thing as "liturgical abuse", so why do y'all complain about it so much?

[wideawake]

(1) I don't think you know what the canonical definition of sacrilege is.

(2) There are hard rules, of course. But there are also portions of the liturgy that can be adapted. It has been thus since Pentecost.

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

When I lived in Phoenix, I always tried to attend the Sunday evening Mass that Father Dale officiated. I was always so filled with the Holy Spirit when I walked out of St. Timothy's. The music was amazing, and as a Catholic, I was floored to see such a huge Catholic Church filled to standing room only with all ages, but mostly *teenagers*.

When my husband and I married, and I moved to Yuma where he was based, I drove three hours up to Phoenix (during dh's deployments and dets) just to attend this Mass.

My prayers are with Fr. Dale.

[murphE]

I don't think you know what the canonical definition of sacrilege is..

Well then enlighten me.

I think you are attempting to defend the indefensible. Msgr. Fushek is a featured performer in the this film. Why don't you have a look at it and then get back to me if you want to continue to defend him and LIFE TEEN.

WHAT WE HAVE LOST

Maybe I'm wrong, but I have a sneaking suspicion that singing "Everybody's Gone Surfing" while dancing around the altar and playing with a beach ball is sacrilegious, not to mention performing "limbo" (how low can you go) in what is supposed to be a sanctuary as well.

[marshmallow]

Looks like a pic of the Charismatic Renewal Masses which were so popular when I was a high school student and which many of my classmates flocked to and raved about each week. They used to tell me that they were "saved."

Being somewhat shy and reserved, I never felt comfortable with all the arm-waving and group hugs and I was never a part of the Charismatic "scene". Sadly, most of my "saved" high school contemporaries now no longer attend Church or partake of the Sacraments. At least the ones with whom I've kept in contact.

Go figure.

[Gillibrand]

I have now posted several more images at the same link.

[TotusTuus]

Looks like a pic of the Charismatic Renewal Masses...

There is a very strong link between the Charismatic's and LifeTeen. St. Timothy's has been known over the years as a Charismatic parish. The nave of the Church itself is essentially designed as an auditorium.

But as others have pointed out, there is a certain orthodoxy about the Faith, if not the Liturgy, amonst the parishoners. They are heavily pro-life, loved Pope John Paul II, etc.

I'll continue to pray for this Priest. I was never a huge fan of his style, but neither was he an heterodox "liberal" nutcase.

[Dominick]

Lifeteen was asked to make changes to conform with the GRIM. The changes they made were not in keeping with the GIRM, and making changes through Lifeteen across all dioceses is a liturgical abuse.

The photos posted from the links shows one abuse that was changes because it did conflict with the GIRM, clearly. You can't have people crowding around the alter. Kneeling is prescribed.

That aside, even with the harm a Priest can do, what is the standard of proof? A wisp of a accusation?

The question wasn't answered.