Posted on 08/16/2005 8:50:57 AM PDT by Mershon
I will pray for the return of all heretics, schismatics and infidels to the one true Church of Jesus Christ, outside of which, neither holiness nor salvation can be found.
Christian unity exists as one of the four marks of the Church, as "one" as the Baltimore Catechism states clearly. Therefore, we must pray for the "return to the fold" to full, ecclesial and canonical communion for all those who, while being perhaps in the body of the Church, are not yet, in the heart of the Church.
We must pray for converion to full membership in the one, true Church of Jesus Christ, as Pope Pius XII said, "outside of which, neither holiness nor salvation can be found."
So what would Bishop Fellay's reaction be if the Pope simply handed him some papers "here are your and the others episcopal and priestly faculties for a Personal Apostolic Administration - go and do the work of the Lord" with no strings attached?
It may satisfy some. Who knows but the SSPX.
* I heard from a friend the forcing was done by a current Bishop who initially was a Nun. The Nun had a sex change operation in 1964, paid for by a Mason who lives in Transylvania. His name is Vlad the impecunious. I know, I know. That is what makes this whole things so sinister. How could He have paid for the operation? I suspect Roger Mahoney is behind the whole thing. (He sold Fatima Tours short early in 1999) In any event, the nun/woman now Bishop/Man was befriended by Fr. Moderator of Traditio fame and "Fr." put him in touch with a Thucite..and the rest is history.
What I just said is just as reasonable this psychosis is based upon.
Yeah, that's the ticket. Ratzinger lied his butt off on Fatima. Oh, what? You say Sr. Lucy confirmed everything putout by the CDF? Well, who can trust her? She went to the N.O. Liturgy.
And yes, they are nuts. Schism leads to madness. I was laughing when I read the stuff about Rome and Tradition, Tradition is represented by a schism don't you know :)
One can only laugh at such arrogant presumption even as one is saddened by the realization of what might happen to the delusional folks when they die EENS.
The first half of the stipulated quotation, the half about Fatima, by itself renders the quotation attributed to Cardinal Ratzinger highly doubtful--it dovetails just too nicely and neatly with the fringe Fatima crowd to be credible. Thus I wouldn't take anything the article says seriously--it has all the earmarks of urban legend created to further polemics.
I did not choose to make those letters public. They were posted elsewhere on the Internet for all to see. I simply posted them here. (A little venial sin of rash judgment for your next Confession!) Anyhow, isn't secrecy the surest sign of a cult?
I love the way you Lefebvrians twist and turn things. Fellay did not "instigate a meeting" which the Pope "accepted".
Please, remember who is the excommunicated schismatic here - it's Fellay.
Fellay humbly (well, insofar as any Lefebvrian is capable of humility!) requested an audience, which the Holy Father graciously (after the insulting Circular Letters, that's being VERY gracious indeed) granted to him.
And we'll pray.
But read everything to come out of the SSPX - and that's a lot of reading, since it's coming out of both sides of their mouths! - and it's pretty clear: like their arrogant and disobedient master, Marcel, having been their own Popes for this long, it is very unlikely that they are about to go back to being obedient bishops of Christ's one, holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church!
I did not choose to make those letters public. They were posted elsewhere on the Internet for all to see. I simply posted them here. (A little venial sin of rash judgment for your next Confession!) Anyhow, isn't secrecy the surest sign of a cult?
I love the way you Lefebvrians twist and turn things. Fellay did not "instigate a meeting" which the Pope "accepted".
Please, remember who is the excommunicated schismatic here - it's Fellay.
Fellay humbly (well, insofar as any Lefebvrian is capable of humility!) requested an audience, which the Holy Father graciously (after the insulting Circular Letters, that's being VERY gracious indeed) granted to him.
And we'll pray.
But read everything to come out of the SSPX - and that's a lot of reading, since it's coming out of both sides of their mouths! - and it's pretty clear: like their arrogant and disobedient master, Marcel, having been their own Popes for this long, it is very unlikely that they are about to go back to being obedient bishops of Christ's one, holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church!
No, I think that's human sacrifice, or storefront "reading rooms".
This has gone on too long and I see no desire on the part of the sspx to quit its schism. If they do recant and renounce their schism, their followers will go ape. As a consequence of their crazy claims, the sspx has led its followers too far from Rome for any reunion in our lifetimes. Why "unite" with evil? will be the reaction of their followers
Their spiritual father said the Holy See and the Hierarchy was occupied by antiChrists. In the mind of their followers nothing much has changed
additional proof schism leads to madness
If he stole from a fake priest - "Fr. Moderator"is "fr Morriosn, a faux priest - does that constitute a real sin? :)
Dear bornacatholic,
"You say Sr. Lucy confirmed everything putout by the CDF? Well, who can trust her? She went to the N.O. Liturgy."
No, no, no. C'mon now, get your conspiracies straight, man!
You really think that was the REAL Sr. Lucy???
sitetest
Who knows..Maybe they will "elect" their own Pope. I am sure they could draft an "explanation" of the necessity of doing such a thing along with reasons why theh Holy Spirit supplied univeral Jurisdiction during this time of unprecedented emergency blah, blah, blah
LOL good point.
Perhaps. But of course that is merely your opinion. If true, your world view has a problem, doesn't it?
People who believed in Fatima and its revelations are fringe?
Sister Lucia
Blessed Francisco
Blessed Jacinta
The bishops of Portugal
Pope Pius XI
Pope Pius XII
Pope John Paul II
Pope Benedict XVI
Wow! Fringe Catholics.
"I did not choose to make those letters public. They were posted elsewhere on the Internet for all to see."
But you chose to post them publicly hear to spread them, right?
"I simply posted them here. (A little venial sin of rash judgment for your next Confession!) Anyhow, isn't secrecy the surest sign of a cult?"
I am sure that there are many internal memos the Vatican writes and that businesses write to each other every day that are not public. Does that make them cults?
"I love the way you Lefebvrians twist and turn things. Fellay did not "instigate a meeting" which the Pope "accepted"."
I am not a Lefebrian. I am a Catholic. I attend an indult Mass thee times a month (driving 3 hours RT once each month) and a Novus Ordo (because I have no choice in the matter, the other time per month. I attend the Novus Ordo daily.
"Fellay humbly (well, insofar as any Lefebvrian is capable of humility!) requested an audience, which the Holy Father graciously (after the insulting Circular Letters, that's being VERY gracious indeed) granted to him."
These letters were posted by YOU. And it is YOUR opinion they are "insulting." Your own private interpretation, as you like to say.
"And we'll pray."
You'll pray for what?
"But read everything to come out of the SSPX - and that's a lot of reading, since it's coming out of both sides of their mouths! - and it's pretty clear: like their arrogant and disobedient master, Marcel, having been their own Popes for this long, it is very unlikely that they are about to go back to being obedient bishops of Christ's one, holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church!"
And you have obviously never read the decree on ecumenism from the Second Vatican Council nor Ut Unum Sint on how to maintain relations with those whom you deem to be "schismatics." Try reading them and heeding them. You are doing NOTHING to foster unity by your posts here.
"I did not choose to make those letters public. They were posted elsewhere on the Internet for all to see."
But you chose to post them publicly hear to spread them, right?
"I simply posted them here. (A little venial sin of rash judgment for your next Confession!) Anyhow, isn't secrecy the surest sign of a cult?"
I am sure that there are many internal memos the Vatican writes and that businesses write to each other every day that are not public. Does that make them cults?
"I love the way you Lefebvrians twist and turn things. Fellay did not "instigate a meeting" which the Pope "accepted"."
I am not a Lefebrian. I am a Catholic. I attend an indult Mass thee times a month (driving 3 hours RT once each month) and a Novus Ordo (because I have no choice in the matter, the other time per month. I attend the Novus Ordo daily.
"Fellay humbly (well, insofar as any Lefebvrian is capable of humility!) requested an audience, which the Holy Father graciously (after the insulting Circular Letters, that's being VERY gracious indeed) granted to him."
These letters were posted by YOU. And it is YOUR opinion they are "insulting." Your own private interpretation, as you like to say.
"And we'll pray."
You'll pray for what?
"But read everything to come out of the SSPX - and that's a lot of reading, since it's coming out of both sides of their mouths! - and it's pretty clear: like their arrogant and disobedient master, Marcel, having been their own Popes for this long, it is very unlikely that they are about to go back to being obedient bishops of Christ's one, holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church!"
And you have obviously never read the decree on ecumenism from the Second Vatican Council nor Ut Unum Sint on how to maintain relations with those whom you deem to be "schismatics." Try reading them and heeding them. You are doing NOTHING to foster unity by your posts here.
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