Decision Time for Mainline Lutherans

The Christian Century ^ | August 09, 2005 | John Dart

[wallcrawlr]

sarcasm accepted.

But I reconcile it like this...its better to still have people led to the Lord under a woman's tutelage rather than send them to hell.

[newgeezer]

It is lost on you.

Well, stupid me.

Your antipithy for Lady Pastors is what I was referring to.

Surely you know what Paul wrote (on behalf of God, the Holy Spirit) about women's roles in the church. Thus, the irony. See?

[newgeezer]

its better to still have people led to the Lord under a woman's tutelage rather than send them to hell.

Likewise, one could say it's better to still have people led to the Lord under a sodomite's tutelage rather than send them to hell.

Right?

[biblewonk]

Actually, it's better to become a sodomite than send someone to hell, right!? After all we are the ones with the power to send people to hell...right. //more sarcasm//

[wallcrawlr]

No.

You may see homo's and women as equals but I dont.


We disagree.

[wallcrawlr]

excuse my language:


it should read as...knowing they are going to hell and we do nothing about it.

are you that cold? or is the sarcasm just extra heavy today?

[biblewonk]

Chick-pastors are entirely acceptable by me...especially when men aint man enough to step up and lead.

If the men in your church don't know enough to be offended by having a female pastor, run away from that church. It's completely luke warm if not altogether dead.

[polymuser]

In 1995, the ELCA Board of Pensions offered abortion benefit choices to ELCA Church Council, noting the ELCA's public position against abortion in their Social Statement on Abortion. Council chose abortion-on-demand up to 20 weeks for ELCA insureds. In 1997, the Churchwide Assembly knocked down an attempt to limit this abortion benefit. Many are unaware of this one, too.

http://www.elca.org/co/news/96/archive/briefs3.html
http://www.elca.org/socialstatements/abortion/
http://www.wfn.org/1997/08/msg00159.html

[newgeezer]

You may see homo's and women as equals but I dont.

I don't.

On a very similar note, I'll point out that you may deem God's Word outdated and thus irrelevant in regard to who is and who is not qualified for church leadership. But, I don't.

[TXBSAFH]

I found that I had to leave my elca church earlier this year. I could no longer stomach the far left direction it was taking. I joined my wife in the Roman Catholic church and have found a home there.

[redgolum]

The Orthodox are relatively immune at this time because I suspect that they have escaped the notice of those trying to undermine Christianity in the West.

[MarMema]

I don't like this primarily because our troop meets at a Lutheran church and I am holding a merit badge fair at another Lutheran church in the fall.

How will this affect their support for the Boy Scouts?

[MarMema]

The Orthodox are relatively immune at this time

so far.

[newgeezer]

How will this affect their support for the Boy Scouts?

Perhaps just as importantly, if the measure passes, how would that affect the Boy Scouts and/or your support (tacit approval) of the ELCA? In other words, would you have any qualms today about holding your regular meetings at an Episcopal Church?

[wallcrawlr]

I do not go to a church with a woman pastor, I choose to find one without actually.

But I will not condemn the work done by God through other Christians...whether male or female.

[FormerLib]

"Outside" of what? That denomination or Christianity?

Oh sorry, outside of any denomination that would consider ordaining either.

[FormerLib]

I'm interested to to know how you stay away from this garbage. The homo agenda certainly has afflicted most churches. They have had to make a decision on it.

In the Orthodox Church, we consider the decision as having already been made. As a matter of fact, you can read about the Council that decided this in Acts 15. St. Paul did do some excellent follow-up on the matter as well.

[wallcrawlr]

Dont be a jackass with your condescending tone.

I know what God ordains according to women pastors/leaders/positions of authority in the church.

I'm fully aware that I may burn in hell for believing what I do...I'm willing to take that chance.