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Does God So Love the World? (John MacArthur)
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| July 21, 2005
| John MacArthur
Posted on 08/01/2005 8:16:45 PM PDT by buckeyesrule
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Revelation 911; Buggman; blue-duncan; connectthedots; The Grammarian; jude24
I am troubled by the tendency of some-often young people newly infatuated with Reformed doctrine-who insist that God cannot possibly love those who never repent and believe. I encounter that view, it seems, with increasing frequency. He's been lurking here?
How many times have we heard precisely that argument?
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posted on
08/02/2005 6:12:02 AM PDT
by
Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; xzins
How many times have we heard precisely that argument? Actually I really thought I'd heard that argument from MacArthur. Maybe I was wrong.
I am quite surprised at this article. Maybe we should make MacArthur an honorary Neener.
To: P-Marlowe; xzins
Maybe we should make MacArthur an honorary Neener. Probably as legitimate as making President Reagan a GRPL.
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08/02/2005 6:36:38 AM PDT
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Corin Stormhands
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To: P-Marlowe
*** That's a mighty broad brush you paint with.***
I'm thinking that's an easy "yes". The brush ain't broad enough.
When is the last time you saw a congregation sit in silent fear of the awesome power and holiness of God Almighty?
The church in America is sinful because it doesn't fear God.
I see Him proclaimed mainly as a genie, an uncritical psychiatrist or a boyfriend.
To: PetroniusMaximus
I see Him proclaimed mainly as a genie, an uncritical psychiatrist or a boyfriend. Boy, is THAT the truth!
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posted on
08/02/2005 6:43:17 AM PDT
by
Frumanchu
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To: buckeyesrule; All
It is a pretty stupid idea that God somehow wants all to be saved yet he only elects some.
No, God only wants his elect saved.
He only loves his elect.
He has mercy upon the lost with his common grace, but he does not love them. A holy God can't love evil.
As is recorded in the Psalms, "GOD HATES ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY."
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posted on
08/02/2005 6:45:37 AM PDT
by
rwfromkansas
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To: buckeyesrule
Thanks for posting this article. Good read.
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posted on
08/02/2005 6:50:21 AM PDT
by
Frumanchu
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To: P-Marlowe
He is wrong on this.
It is patently absurd that God would love everybody but then only love only a few enough to save them.
This would make God a respector of persons, MacArthur! Just in a different way from how the Arminians make God a respector of persons.
God ONLY loves his elect.
He grants mercy to the non-elect with his common grace, but just because he grants mercy doesn't mean he LOVES them. HUGE difference.
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posted on
08/02/2005 6:52:36 AM PDT
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rwfromkansas
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To: PetroniusMaximus; P-Marlowe
"When is the last time you saw a congregation sit in silent fear of the awesome power and holiness of God Almighty?" Or how about kneeling in prayer? Most of them have removed the kneelers because they weren't cost effective.
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posted on
08/02/2005 6:56:33 AM PDT
by
HarleyD
To: rwfromkansas; P-Marlowe; xzins; Buggman; blue-duncan
This would make God a respector of persons, MacArthur! Just in a different way from how the Arminians make God a respector of persons.
God ONLY loves his elect. rw, I don't see how the GRPLs can have God chosing between the Elect and Non-Elect without making him a respecter of persons.
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posted on
08/02/2005 7:03:16 AM PDT
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Corin Stormhands
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To: rwfromkansas
It is patently absurd that God would love everybody but then only love only a few enough to save them. This would make God a respector of persons, MacArthur! Just in a different way from how the Arminians make God a respector of persons. How so? How is God a respector of persons in this case? To argue such you would have to show that God was compelled or moved to set His special, electing love upon some because of some condition of theirs. That God has some measure of love for the reprobate does not undermine God's sovereignty or will in unconditionally electing others to salvation.
God ONLY loves his elect. He grants mercy to the non-elect with his common grace, but just because he grants mercy doesn't mean he LOVES them. HUGE difference.
I don't find it quite so easy to completely exclude any aspect or concept of love from mercy.
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posted on
08/02/2005 7:08:33 AM PDT
by
Frumanchu
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To: Corin Stormhands
rw, I don't see how the GRPLs can have God chosing between the Elect and Non-Elect without making him a respecter of persons.UNCONDITIONAL election, Corin. He chooses according to the good pleasure of His will, NOT according to some foreseen attribute of the individual.
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posted on
08/02/2005 7:10:03 AM PDT
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Frumanchu
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To: Frumanchu; rwfromkansas
To argue such you would have to show that God was compelled or moved to set His special, electing love upon some because of some condition of theirs. You said that better than I did.
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08/02/2005 7:10:33 AM PDT
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Corin Stormhands
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To: Frumanchu
But WHY some and not others Fru? What's the difference?
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08/02/2005 7:12:21 AM PDT
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Corin Stormhands
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To: Frumanchu
"God hates all workers of iniquity."
Love does not equal hate.
You make a good point about he respector of persons issue, but I still see a difference between just granting a measure of mercy in common grace and truly loving people enough to save them.
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posted on
08/02/2005 7:13:52 AM PDT
by
rwfromkansas
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To: Corin Stormhands
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posted on
08/02/2005 7:14:36 AM PDT
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rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas; Frumanchu; xzins; P-Marlowe; Buggman; blue-duncan; Revelation 911
WHY do some please Him and others do not?
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08/02/2005 7:15:34 AM PDT
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Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
They don't until He chooses to save some.
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posted on
08/02/2005 7:16:27 AM PDT
by
rwfromkansas
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To: Corin Stormhands
But WHY some and not others Fru? What's the difference? I cannot give you the reasons beyond what Scripture says they are (and are not). It was according to the good pleasure of His will and not according to any condition foreseen in us.
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posted on
08/02/2005 7:17:51 AM PDT
by
Frumanchu
(Saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone to the glory of God alone.)
To: rwfromkansas
You're talking in circles, because my question is WHY does He choose some and not others?
What is the distinction between those chosen and those not chosen?
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posted on
08/02/2005 7:18:34 AM PDT
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Corin Stormhands
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