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On the Interpretation of Revelation
When the Stars Fall: A Messianic Commentary on the Revelatoin | 6/21/05 | Michael D. Bugg

Posted on 06/21/2005 4:27:46 PM PDT by Buggman

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Most of this I already posted on the On Understanding the Book of the Revelation thread, but the last section is new.

Btw, if anyone knows of a good site to post graphics on to hotlink to, please let me know so I can post the chart that goes with this chapter. Thanks.

1 posted on 06/21/2005 4:27:46 PM PDT by Buggman
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To: P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; xzins; blue-duncan; Corin Stormhands; Revelation 911; navygal; Quester; ...
For those of you who asked for it, for those of you whom I'm going to abuse as my fellow Neeners, and those I just think might be interested, here is most of the introduction of my upcoming book (sans some personal comments). Enjoy, discuss, feel free to point out the places that were obviously written at 3 am because they're just that badly phrased and all of the horrible heresies, real or imagined, that will have certain parties who shall remain nameless until and unless they actually show up in a lather.

Seriously, just formatting this for posting I found half a dozen typos. Please let me know if you find any more. Thanks for all your support.

2 posted on 06/21/2005 4:38:07 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: Buggman

*****Btw, if anyone knows of a good site to post graphics on to hotlink to, please let me know so I can post the chart that goes with this chapter.*****

Your wish is my command, Rabbi Buggman

http://www.imageshack.us/

Neeners


3 posted on 06/21/2005 4:51:54 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Danke.

Here's the figure that goes with the final section of the first chapter:

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4 posted on 06/21/2005 5:01:41 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: Buggman
1. The churches are in "the things that are", and do not overlap the seals.

2. With the "things that must happen hereafter "(beginning with ch. 4 vs.1), the references become exceedingly Jewish in content and language.

3. The book of Revelation has about 400 verses, which contain over 800 references to the Old Testament. Thus it requires exhaustive study in the OT. If you are one of those that studies the New Testament only, you won't get it.

5 posted on 06/21/2005 5:25:33 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: Buggman

Wait just a cottin pickin minute. That does not look like an official, inspired, registered, Clarence Larkin chart to me. There are not enough arrows and the printing runs horizontaly not vertically and at an angle or circular. If you want these lessons to have the air of respectability and scholarly gravis I suggest you plagiarize some real Larkin charts. Remember Larkins famous last words, "if they can follow the chart you haven't drawn enough lines."


6 posted on 06/21/2005 5:43:46 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: D Rider
1. I disagree. The letter to Thyatira specifically references the Great Tribulation, Sardis references the Second Coming (which can be definatively shown to be at the sixth seal), and Philadelphia is given a special promise of protection (and not removal, as I'll show when we get there) during "the hour of temptation which will come upon all the world, to try those who dwell upon the earth," aka the Great Tribulation again. Ergo, at the least those three enter into the time of the seals.

2. The idea that the rest of the New Testament is not Jewish in character is a rather bizarre one to me. What race was Yeshua (Jesus)? Jewish. What about Kefa (Peter)? Jewish. Yochanan (John)? Jewish. What about Sha'ul (Paul)? He was not only a Jew, but a Pharisee and a rabbi to boot!

3. You're a Chuck Missler fan, aren't you? Me too. I just happen to disagree with him about some things, pretrib among them. Acts 17:11, you know. :^)

I'm also a Messianic (note the subtitle of the book), which means that I hold the Tanakh in very high regard indeed. The relative lack of quotes from the Tanakh so far stems simply from the fact that relatively few passages from the Tanakh deal with hermeneutics, as opposed to several dozen in the NT that do.

7 posted on 06/21/2005 5:44:15 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: blue-duncan
rotfl I love Larkin's books. Use to have Dispensational Truth until I loaned it to a friend (never saw it again). But I'd rather create charts people can actually read.

Besides, I have NO talent for art.

8 posted on 06/21/2005 5:46:02 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: Buggman

bump for later read


9 posted on 06/21/2005 5:49:26 PM PDT by amosmoses (Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin)
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To: Buggman
As to point one if you believe in a pre-trib rapture, then the letters make sence in the context I placed them.

Did I say character? I meant context if I did.

And yes, I am off to a Missler study right now, so I gotta go.

10 posted on 06/21/2005 6:03:35 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: Buggman; P-Marlowe

"my fellow Neeners"

Will someone please tell me what the he-- a "neener" is? Is that like the colorful woman riding on the dragon or is it a mystery that you learn after scoring esoteric points known only by the crazy aunt in the attic?


11 posted on 06/21/2005 6:08:51 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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What? We haven't inducted blue-duncan yet?


12 posted on 06/21/2005 6:12:50 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: Buggman
I'm just curious, what sort of feedback are you looking for on this thread? Do you want to get into nuts and bolts of interpreting specific passages of scripture or are you looking more for a critique of what you've written? I would like the nuts and bolts myself but would understand if you don't want to open that can of worms on this open forum.

BTW, what you've written so far has me looking forward to the rest of the book.

13 posted on 06/21/2005 6:40:10 PM PDT by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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Will someone please tell me what the he-- a "neener" is?

Neeners are those of us whose soteriology (or perhaps our attitude) is such that we have been denied access or entrance onto the Great Reformed Ping List. GRPL.

After being denied access we began the Knights of the Eternal Time Table as a substitute for those who were disfellowshipped from the GRPL. We are the Knights who say "Neener Neener Neener", which of course is our battle cry as we battle for truth, justice and the Arminian way.

We are not a ping list. We are a loose association of posters who tend to get the undies of hard line Calvinists in a bunch whenever we gather together on a thread.

To which we usually respond by holding up our shields {!} and yelling out the KOETT battle cry: Neener neener neener.... Neener3

Should you wish further information, or should you wish to be knighted into our silly organization you can check in at this site.

14 posted on 06/21/2005 6:40:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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What? We haven't inducted blue-duncan yet?

From my discussions with blue duncan, I believe he may very well be a Calvinist... (of sorts). Nevertheless, he's certainly welcome to join. If memory serves me correctly there is a slot open for "Lord Protector and Keeper of the Institutes."

15 posted on 06/21/2005 6:45:50 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Buggman; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; Corin Stormhands; opus86; The Grammarian

I agree, Bman. B-D definitely should be inducted.

We need to go to the High Protector with a recommendation.

I have no idea how many there are, but some have been assembled. Any number constitutes a quorum since no one (including us) knows how many we be.

A formal recommmendation, HP (Marlowe) that B-D be invited to the neener fold, that he be inducted as a KOETT (Knight of the Eternal Time Table), that he be taught the secret handshake, and that he receive authority to use the {!}. And, of course, all the rights and privileges appertaining thereunto, etc., etc.


16 posted on 06/21/2005 6:45:59 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2
Well, on this section, I don't think too many will argue deeply over theology. Mostly, I'm nervous about its readibility--I've been working on this book for so long that I'm no longer sure if I'm entirely clear in conveying my thoughts and reasonings behind them.

Of course, if you do find some theology to nit-pick, have at it! I'm all for having my ideas tested.

17 posted on 06/21/2005 6:52:59 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: Buggman
I'm all for having my ideas tested.

:>)

First....ya've got it all wrong.

Any questions, just write down what I tell ya. Got it?

(f you ain't pre-trib rapture, then you ain't split!)

18 posted on 06/21/2005 6:58:32 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; xzins; Buggman; Revelation 911
Should you wish further information, or should you wish to be knighted into our silly organization you can check in at this site.

Yeesh! Reading that thread is like walking the Paths of the Dead.

Although with some of the venom spewed, it's a wonder a certain "just a ping list" remains as long as it is...

19 posted on 06/21/2005 7:00:13 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://www.kaineisnotable.com)
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To: xzins

Well thanks for clearing that up, then. Neener-neener. :^p ;^)


20 posted on 06/21/2005 7:02:34 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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