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The Goodness and the Severity of God
Grace To You ^ | June 20, 2005 | John MacArthur

Posted on 06/20/2005 4:38:37 AM PDT by HarleyD

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To: Dr. Eckleburg

As I mentioned earlier, I have only another 1/2 hour before I leave.

I said earlier that my beliefs are based on what God has put inside of me, which, for want of a better phrase, are self-evident.


81 posted on 06/20/2005 12:36:18 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

The fact that I must obey the Gospel in no way diminishes what God has done for me. I earn nothing by obeying God.


82 posted on 06/20/2005 12:36:27 PM PDT by jkl1122
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To: stuartcr; HarleyD; suzyjaruki; visually_augmented; jkl1122
IMO you are correct, Stuart, that God has given you a certain "belief."

That belief, however, doesn't appear to be a Trinitarian, saving faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, who died to pay for our sins so that we would see Paradise with Him.

I encourage you to read the Bible and see if God has another, richer path for you to follow. I have every confidence that if it is there, by His grace, you will find it.

83 posted on 06/20/2005 12:38:01 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: stuartcr

***Apparently He hasn't, or I would believe differently.***

How long would you survive if you held the same attitude towards eating that you do towards finding out the truth?

I.E. "If God didn't want me to be hungry then He would have have food fall from the sky into my mouth."

You would go hunting for food pretty soon I'de bet!


84 posted on 06/20/2005 12:42:19 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: stuartcr
The same God that controls the physical world by fixed laws, controls the moral & spiritual world. The author of this article, in a booklet, asked the following questions. I will repeat them in order to facilitate my answer. "Where do you find the fixed standards of human behavior? How do you determine what is right and what is wrong? Has the Creator revealed such standards to mankind in a way we can understand?"

The Bible claims to be the revelation of God to man. The bible gives Christians the experience it claims it will give them. The bible presents a plausible understanding of the universe and the God who created it. The miraculous nature of the bible demonstrates the supernatural involvement of God. The bible prophecies more than 300 references to the Messiah, then records the fulfillment of all them. The bible reveals the life of Jesus Christ and how he is the fulfillment of these detailed prophecies. The bible is perfect, sure, right, pure, clean, & true. Where do you find truth? I believe it is in the Word of God, the bible.

85 posted on 06/20/2005 12:45:26 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: stuartcr
It would seem that an absolute truth, by definition, would be so absolute, that none could deny it.

Excellent point.

By reading the Word of God, we know that all men are fallen and will deny His absolute truth, unless and until God turns them from the darkness to His light.

And this truth plays out before our eyes every minute of every day.

Read the Bible. It will answer your questions. There is no truth without it.

86 posted on 06/20/2005 12:47:31 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thank you.


87 posted on 06/20/2005 12:49:45 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Luckily, those two are not related.


88 posted on 06/20/2005 12:52:10 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
"How do you know what happens after death?"

"Can you show this to be true?"

"Why would He punish us for doing something that He has designed into us to do?"

"If God knew what David would do, and He still created David, how did David have a choice?"

"Could David have done something that God knew he would not do?"


89 posted on 06/20/2005 12:53:45 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: suzyjaruki

A fixed standard of human behavior?..is it wrong or right to take a human life?

A claim is not proof.


90 posted on 06/20/2005 12:55:07 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: suzyjaruki
The bible reveals the life of Jesus Christ and how he is the fulfillment of these detailed prophecies.

Amen, S.J.

The more Scripture we read, the more miraculous life becomes.

The Bible is a perfectly-written scenario with the beginning, middle and end all composed by God in an instant. All action leads up to Christ's resurrection; all action flows from Christ's resurrection.

All for the glory of God and to the merciful benefit of His saints.

91 posted on 06/20/2005 12:56:58 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: stuartcr

The questions are to you.


92 posted on 06/20/2005 12:57:01 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: stuartcr

***Luckily, those two are not related. ***

Ha!

But they are!

"And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." - Luke 4:4


93 posted on 06/20/2005 12:57:39 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: HarleyD

Right, we each have differing faiths.

Why would God design us in a way He didn't want us to be?

If David could not do otherwise, then where was his freedom of choice?


94 posted on 06/20/2005 12:59:08 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I do not know or believe that all men are fallen. I believe we are as we are, good or bad.

It is easy to say that man has fallen, when your reference describes fallen behavior as the behavior that man has exhibited since the beginning of time, but many do not use the same reference as you.


95 posted on 06/20/2005 1:11:49 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: suzyjaruki

My questions to you, are directed back to me...why?


96 posted on 06/20/2005 1:14:29 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr

stuartcr: "I believe just is something for us humans here on earth, besides, how do you know God is perfectly just?"

The Bible tells me that God is just. Christ has said that God is just and the prophets and apostles have attested that God is perfectly just.

These are all trustworthy sources that have been tested for many centuries. Besides, logic tells us that if God is the creator of all things, He is by definition just. It would be like questioning the designer of a board game whether the rules he wrote are right. The designer establishes the rules and conduct of the game.

If you believe that God is the creator of all things, you must logically conclude he is just.


97 posted on 06/20/2005 1:15:26 PM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: stuartcr; HarleyD; suzyjaruki; jkl1122
Right, we each have differing faiths. Why would God design us in a way He didn't want us to be?

Most Christians would question your "faith," Stuart, since it is not based on Scripture, and would fear for your salvation.

We would hope God has "designed "you to eventually read the Bible and receive His mercy through faith in Jesus Christ.

98 posted on 06/20/2005 1:15:40 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Yes, I'm sure, if one believes as you do.


99 posted on 06/20/2005 1:15:53 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
You are always so cute.

The questions in post #85.

100 posted on 06/20/2005 1:17:20 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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