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The Goodness and the Severity of God
Grace To You ^ | June 20, 2005 | John MacArthur

Posted on 06/20/2005 4:38:37 AM PDT by HarleyD

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To: suzyjaruki

Does that mean that wars that didn't include Christians, were immoral, but wars that do include Christians are moral?

How is the evildoer determined between 2 Christian countries that are at war?

Is it morally wrong to take an innocent human life as collateral damage, when bombing from 25000ft?

To Himself.


161 posted on 06/21/2005 10:12:47 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr; suzyjaruki; HarleyD; visually_augmented

Do you believe in the God of the Old and New Testaments, stuart?

Who is your God?


162 posted on 06/21/2005 10:12:48 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: visually_augmented

LOL. Pass that info along if you get it. I might be relatively persuaded, too.


163 posted on 06/21/2005 10:15:14 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: jkl1122

Where did I say I did not believe in logic?

As I have said repeatedly..I do trust God's word, it's just that what I hear from Him, is different than what you hear from Him.

These discussions always end up in circles, just as they have since man started having them...because there is no way for any of us to prove our faith while we are alive.


164 posted on 06/21/2005 10:18:05 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

There is only one God.


165 posted on 06/21/2005 10:19:33 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: jkl1122; stuartcr
I pray that you will decide to trust God's Word to be your guide. (to absolute truth ?)

jk,
stuart is spiritually dead and incapable of trusting God's Word to be his guide. Until and unless the Holy Spirit gives him life he will not know truth, nor receive God's blessing.

166 posted on 06/21/2005 10:19:37 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: stuartcr
No

God will determine the evildoer

No

167 posted on 06/21/2005 10:23:37 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: suzyjaruki

I differ with you in how the Holy Spirit interacts with someone. I do not wish to argue the point, but I will present my belief. The Holy Spirit works through the Word of God to bring about belief.


168 posted on 06/21/2005 10:24:24 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: stuartcr; HarleyD; suzyjaruki; visually_augmented; jkl1122
These discussions always end up in circles, just as they have since man started having them...

But "these discussions" wasn't what the original thread was about.

I think these discussions "end up in circles" because that's where you seem to prefer them to go.

You hesitate to articulate your "faith," while we're trying hard to figure out just what you believe (although that's becoming less and less interesing as the circles expand.)

169 posted on 06/21/2005 10:25:41 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: jkl1122

Can the Holy Spirit fail in its mission?


170 posted on 06/21/2005 10:26:50 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I never said the Holy Spirit doesn't work in people's lives. I just disagree on how it works. I am not interested in debating this point at this time.


171 posted on 06/21/2005 10:28:31 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122
The Holy Spirit works through the Word of God to bring about belief.

No disagreement here.

172 posted on 06/21/2005 10:31:02 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: suzyjaruki

It seems to me, that you are saying...sometimes it's ok to take human life, and sometimes it's not. Is this correct?


173 posted on 06/21/2005 10:33:42 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I think these discussions "end up in circles" because that's where you seem to prefer them to go.

I agree, I believe that stuart is anti-Christian rather than non-Christian and derives pleasure from christian FReepers assuming that he is a christian and falling into his circular arguments.

174 posted on 06/21/2005 10:36:14 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: stuartcr
There is only one God.

I'll ask the question again, because it's an easy one, IMO, and very specific.

Do you believe in the God of the Old and New Testaments?

Lots of people can mouth the words "There is only one God." But that singular diety can take the form of Zoroaster's "Ahura Mazda," or the Great Polar Bear in the Sky, or a tree, or some esoteric, amorphous "Oneness"...

On the FR Religion Forum, it's not too invasive a question to ask a posting member: Do you believe in the God of the Old and New Testaments?

175 posted on 06/21/2005 10:37:57 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: stuartcr

Correct, but not in an arbitrary fashion as you believe.


176 posted on 06/21/2005 10:38:16 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: suzyjaruki

That is why I will pray that he decides to read and study the Word of God.


177 posted on 06/21/2005 10:38:35 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: stuartcr

Ping to #169, sorry.


178 posted on 06/21/2005 10:39:55 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Well, of course, when everyone agrees on a basic premise, they don't end up in circles, but, we don't agree.

Sometimes, as is obvious, threads go off on tangents. This is one of them.

If all these discussions end up in circles, then after a while, it would seem obvious, that that is just the way it is.

How have I hesitated to articulate my faith? I have said that I believe in God...that is the faith I have. I have told you many times, but you don't seem to be able to grasp it. What do you want me to say?


179 posted on 06/21/2005 10:40:08 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr

I mean #174, double sorry.


180 posted on 06/21/2005 10:41:38 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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