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Only 1 in 11 Christians Has a Biblical Worldview
Chalcedon Foundation ^ | 6/7/05 | Lee Duigon

Posted on 06/09/2005 12:03:02 PM PDT by Rytwyng

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To: Conservative til I die
"Simplifying one's belief to the point of turning them into a theological simpleton is not a good thing. Christ was not a simple man."

Christ was not a "simple man," but His message sure was.

What part of "Christ's blood sacrificed for the redemption of sin for believers" is too complicated for you?

81 posted on 06/09/2005 9:37:42 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Conservative til I die
"Pity for those Christians living between 33 and 60 AD without any of the Christian Scriptures."

NEWSFLASH SPARKY:

Various Apostles and disciples were still spreading the gospel at that time -- And believe it or not IN PERSON.

82 posted on 06/09/2005 9:40:52 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
What part of "Christ's blood sacrificed for the redemption of sin for believers" is too complicated for you?

What part of "This *IS* my Body...This *IS* the cup of my blood" don't *you* understand?
83 posted on 06/09/2005 10:00:50 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Mershon

"Every baptized Christian (which is what makes one a Christian)"

Pardon me, but baptism doesn't make one a Christian any more than attending a particular church does.

A "Christian" is a person that has realized(by the intervention of the Holy Spirit) they are a helpless sinner that cannot save themselves from that sin. They recognize their sin separates them from God and they are fit only for hell. In Jesus Christ they perceive the only hope they have of pardon. So, by faith(also a gift from God) they put their whole trust in Christ (God the Son) and Him alone as the means to be saved from both the penalty and power of sin over them. As the old hymnn goes, "nothing in my had I bring, simply to thy cross I cling."

No ritual, like Baptism, makes one a Christian. However, once one has placed their trust in Christ alone, they will submit to Baptism because Jesus commanded it. A Christian will be obediant to their master (Jesus Christ). They will not be sinless, but they will strive to be so (repentance).


84 posted on 06/09/2005 10:16:57 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Conservative til I die
"What part of "This *IS* my Body...This *IS* the cup of my blood" don't *you* understand?"

Christ has already died on the cross.

Even He said, "It is done."

Now just what part of "It is done" don't you understand, brother, OR was Christ lying when He said it?

85 posted on 06/09/2005 10:46:10 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"The most interesting thing to me about the Bible is that its depth and beauty are so deep and intense that one can never get to the bottom or tired of its glories."

When led by the Spirit, I agree. It is an amazing gift God has given us through the Church.

Regards


86 posted on 06/09/2005 11:36:48 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: F16Fighter

"by the way, who told you that all of those books of the New Testament were Scripture?"


Santa Claus.

HO HO HO!


87 posted on 06/09/2005 11:37:42 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: F16Fighter

"Christ was not a "simple man," but His message sure was."

Yes, the "folly" of the Cross. It's one thing to be presented with a "simple" message. It is entirely something else to submit entirely to the message of the Cross - to die to one's self.

Regards


88 posted on 06/09/2005 11:40:14 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: F16Fighter

"Christ has already died on the cross.

Even He said, "It is done."


Redemption is finished. Salvation is not, brother. Is Christ's redemptive suffering applied to all people - do all people go to heaven? Paul certainly didn't believe he was saved, he continued to run the race, correct?

Regards


89 posted on 06/09/2005 11:43:42 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: F16Fighter

"NEWSFLASH SPARKY:

Various Apostles and disciples were still spreading the gospel at that time -- And believe it or not IN PERSON."


Ah, so there is not just ONE Christian doctrine, then...

Seems to me you are saying God reveals Himself through Scripture AND Apostolic Tradition. Hmmm, what would your Protestant friends be saying when they find out? Tell you to go join the Catholic Church?

Regards


90 posted on 06/09/2005 11:50:01 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: jo kus
"Seems to me you are saying God reveals Himself through Scripture AND Apostolic Tradition."

Yes and No.

1) God indeed reveals Himself through Scripture

2) There is no "Apostolic Tradition" -- unless you happen to believe "traditions" impress The Almighty (Hint: They don't).

91 posted on 06/10/2005 12:04:49 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: jo kus
"Is Christ's redemptive suffering applied to all people - do all people go to heaven?"

Christ's blood NOT "suffering" offer the believer a chance at "redemption."

Only God will judge the heart of those "who" go to heaven.

" Paul certainly didn't believe he was saved, he continued to run the race, correct?"

Paul most certainly knew he was "saved."

His "race" was run to encourage and teach the Word -- under the direction of the Holy Spirit.

92 posted on 06/10/2005 12:11:20 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Rytwyng
Baptists third (8%)
I am Baptist and this seems high to me. We are currently looking for a new church home and I have been stunned at what belief systems claim to be Baptist!

GE
94 posted on 06/10/2005 5:23:56 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Elsie

So much argumentation to get around the plain statements of St. John 3.5, St. Mark 16.16, St. Matthew 28.19, Acts 8.12, 1 St. Peter 3.21, Acts 2.38, Acts 16.33, Acts 18.8, Galatians 3.27, Acts 22.16, etc.

Why not just take the Bible literally instead of creating complex arguments?


95 posted on 06/10/2005 5:34:54 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: jo kus
According to such as St. Francis, prayer, not Scripture reading, is what leads us to humility and obedience to God.

I would agree that merely reading Gods word, while worthwhile, is not the answer. Most folks (that I know - including many "scholars")who "read" Gods word in order to find things to justify their position. They approach the scripture with the answer, then tell God's word what it means instead of letting God's word speak to them. STUDY is the answer.
If you STUDY God's word, then I believe your prayer life will be correct. Without Gods word, we wouldn't even know HOW to pray.

Consider if you will,
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

1 Pet 1:
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

2 Tim 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Cordially,
GE
96 posted on 06/10/2005 5:39:57 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Elsie

Like I said before, I am not interested in the debate. Save it for some other thread.

Read the last verse of the last chapter of St. Matthew's Gospel and repeat it over and over and over again. Look at Christian history with an objective lens. Analyze the roots of Christianity through Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, and then make your determination. I am really not interested in exchanging Bible verses with you. I am content with the way things were ordered and established by Jesus Christ through His Church.


97 posted on 06/10/2005 6:14:48 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: madison10

This has already been answered. Baptism by desire suffices for salvation, especially if it is explicit.

Again, infallibly dogmatic: Baptism is necessary for salvation. You cannot disprove the norm by the exception. Baptism of desire is necessary for salvation. Read St. Matthew's Gospel, the last few sentences of the last chapter.


98 posted on 06/10/2005 6:20:48 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: Sola Veritas

De fide Dogma:

Baptism is necessary for salvation. This is the Biblical and historical view of all of Christianity.

De Fide dogma. Period. Lights out. End of story. St. Matthew, last couple of sentences of the last chapter of the Gospel.


99 posted on 06/10/2005 6:22:54 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: NRA2BFree
As far as people quoting Scripture in verses, I've heard people like John Kerry quoting Scripture in verses, but I would bet my life that he has NO understanding of what he's reading.

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My guess is that he was simply mouthing the words given him by his speechwriter.

100 posted on 06/10/2005 7:36:25 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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