The Lady of the Night: She seeks to seduce your soul!

Zion's Fire ^ | 06 June 2000 | Marvin J. Rosenthal

[Jeremiah Jr]

Lilith also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest…
Isaiah 34:14

[nopardons]

I really don't mean to be argumentative, nor to cast aspersions on you, but I just reread much of Genesis, including Gen 3:15, and unless there's some hidden code/invisible writing, my King James Version is completely bereft of that which you have claimed is written in the Bible. It just isn't there......NO prophecy of Jesus, nothing at all about a Savior, and NOTHING about Cain meaning "acquired" and his being the Christ.

You can believe whatever it is that you believe in, but frankly, I find what you're claiming, to be faaaaaaaaar out there and something I haven't ever heard.

Look up the word counterfeit.......it doesn't mean copying something that isn't real.

[the-ironically-named-proverbs2]

An interesting interpretation but I think Marv missed the mark a bit. Comparing scripture with scripture is the safest bet. In a prophetic sense harlotry was associated with a people, not a system of religion. The people may have been called a harlot because they followed false religions and were unfaithful to the true God, but the religions themselves were not the harlot.

The harlot from Rev. 17&18 will be destroyed by the beast she sits upon just as God's people in the OT were judged for their harlotry. Also it's worth noting that it's clear from Daniel that she will be judged BEFORE the rise of the antichrist.

[gamarob1]

Genesis 3:15 says, God speaking to Satan, that basically the enemy is destroyed by the seed of the woman, who is revealed in Revelation as Jesus Christ. You gotta read the whole thing to get all that info.

In Hebrew Cain means "acquired". It's really just simple, basic Bible study for the Christian. A non-Christian undoubtedly won't see any of this, and will consider it foolishness, the Bible also says. That's why typically, with a non-Christian, we'd focus on Jesus being the solution to your and my sin problem, and the rest comes after being born again. But since you had asked, that's why I answered :)

[nopardons]

I've got to read the entire Bible, to get this? ARED YOU FOR REAL? I've read the whole Bible; several times over.

The KJV Gen 3:15 says: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;it shall bruise thy head and thou shalt bruise his heel."

That's it;no Jesus, no Savior, no prophecy about anything at all in the rest of the Bible; just that mankind will hate snakes and snakes will bite mankind.

I'm a Christian and I think what you're claiming is HOGWASH!

[Credo_in_unum_deum]

This might shed a little light on a few things:

1. Regarding the pre-existence of the Gospel, and Satan's knowledge thereof

Jesus Christ is the "Lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world." (Apoc. 13:3) What this means is that God always knew that his creatures would sin, and always knew that he would redeem them. So while the Incarnation occured in time, the Incarnation's place in the Economy of Grace has existed since at least the beginning of time, if not for eternity.

Now, if a plan exists to do something in a certain way, it is at least theoretically possible that someone can find out about the plan, even though the event hasn't happened. So it is entirely possible that Lucifer knew about Christ's coming long before we did.

Is there any Biblical evidence that this was so? Well, yes. The same Biblical evidence we use to prove that Jesus was in fact the Christ that was promised by the prophets. If looking back now, you and I can read the prophets and see Christ predicted there, then certainly at the time that those prophecies were made the Devil, who is astronomically more brilliant than any man has ever been, could understand them as well.

On a side note, there are some of the Church Fathers who speculate that it was Satan's very knowledge of the Gospel that caused the Fall of the Angels. The pride of Lucifer could not stand being subject to a man (it is clear from the temptation in the desert that Lucifer did/does not understand the Hypostasis - if he did, he never would have bothered with the temptation)

2. Regarding the prophecy in Genesis 3:15, "I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel."

Firstly, this is a prophecy of salvation. If the serpent's head is crushed, then he is clearly defeated. So God here prophesies the destruction of kingdom of the devil.

Secondly, this is a prophesy of the Virgin Birth. Women do not have literal seed. Men have seed. Refer to Genesis 38:8, "[Onan] knowing that the children should not be his, when he went in to his brother's wife, spilled his seed upon the ground, lest children should be born in his brother's name."

3. Regarding Cain meaning "acquired" not being in the Bible.

Technically, you could say that there is nothing in the Bible about Abel meaning "empty-handed," or Simon meaning, "a grain of sand," or Jesus meaning, "God saves His people." But they do. Cain means "acquired" (I have heard it rendered, "possession") not because the Bible says it, but simply because it does. That is just what the Hebrew word cain means.

Amazingly, there are true things that are not found in the Bible. One of them is a Hebrew to English dictionary : )

4. Regarding the King James Bible

Burn it and get yourself a real Bible (Haydock, of course)

[gamarob1]

I'm a Christian and I think what you're claiming is HOGWASH!

Ummmmm, ooooookay...... You started all this by saying that you can't see the "counterfeit" of the satanic stories of mother/child, etc., inferring that you might not be a Christian, because EVERY Christian I've ever met never had a problem with that notion, because they all realized that those counterfeit stories MUST be satanic, because there's only ONE WAY to heaven, and that's Jesus...

I think the poster that replied to both of us did a nice job of explaining it :)

[gamarob1]

Regarding the King James Bible Burn it and get yourself a real Bible (Haydock, of course)

I'm more of an NIV guy ;)

[nopardons]

No thanks...I like the KJV the best. If I want something in the OT, I'd take a Jewish Bible over any modern day Christian one, where all kinds of things have been messed with, in translation.

And I don't take books from the Apocrypha as legit.

I'm not going to go any further with this discussion, because it's pointless. If I were to post a true refutation, you and/or other would hit the abuse button. You don't care for counter views.

And no, you still haven't proven your position.

I'll give you the prophets' prophecies of the MESSIAH; that's a given. But, as far as the rest of it goes, I'm done with this and no, I refuse to take the Roman Catholic version of anything into count, as I am not a Catholic.

[nopardons]

I've NEVER met a single Christian, who believes as you do; not a one and that includes ministers.

Never "infer" nor assume anything about anyone, from a single post. :-)

Nope, he did a terrible job of it. Frankly, a far worse one than you have done. So pat in the back to you! At least you didn't tell me to BURN my Bibles and get a Roman Catholic one.

[Zuriel]

**That's it;no Jesus, no Savior, no prophecy about anything at all in the rest of the Bible; just that mankind will hate snakes and snakes will bite mankind.**

There was something different about that serpent. Oh, that's right. It TALKED to Eve, and Eve talked to it. Matter of fact, that serpent was a convincing liar, when he spoke.

God spoke to the serpent, and put a curse on it. The serpent knew better than to say even one word in response.

So the prophecy is plain, and the seed's name kept secret, until "..the fullness of time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman.." Gal. 4:4. God knew what he was doing. Can you imagine all the boys named Jesus (including Tammuz), had the name been revealed from Genesis 3 and on?

[nopardons]

There were probably 1,000s of Yuheshuas ( or however it's spelled), before Jesus was born. It was a common Hebrew name.

[Zuriel]

**And I don't take books from the Apocrypha as legit**

Amen, on that comment.

**I refuse to take the Roman Catholic version of anything into count, as I am not a Catholic.**

I wouldn't go so far as to say they haven't gotten anything right, but the Haydock is said to have 'powerful footnotes and commentary'. I haven't seen it, but will have to assume that some of those 'powerful' comments support the scripture mixed with man-made ('iron and clay') teachings that are not taken in context.

[amosmoses]

So are you arguing with that poster that believers are not saved by grace? Be sure to tell the Lord that you are entitled to enter the kingdom based on you "good " works at the day of judgment.

[Zuriel]

**There were probably 1,000s of Yuheshuas ( or however it's spelled), before Jesus was born. It was a common Hebrew name.**

I didn't say it didn't exist in the OT, I said it wasn't revealed as the name of the 'seed' until the fulness of times. There were lots of God honoring names in both OT and NT. Have you looked up 'Zuriel'?

[nopardons]

Thanks for the AMEN...I was feeling quite alone.

I have a KJV family Bible from 1843 ( besides a few other Bibles ), which has tons of foot notes and exculpatory references and explanations. As I've stated, I'm a Protestant and as one, I'm really not interested in what the Catholic view is on anything. I believe what I believe and am perfectly happy in my faith.

Unlike some people here, I don't proselytize and would appreciate NOT being told that I should believe the way someone else else does, or that I should "BURN MY BIBLE"; as I was ordered to do, by another poster here.

[nopardons]

True.

No, I haven't...and you're just dying to tell me what it means, aren't you? LOL

[Zuriel]

R u that guy thatt huntz allergaturz in the swamp? (u problee get ask't that uh lot)

[gamarob1]

I've NEVER met a single Christian, who believes as you do; not a one and that includes ministers.

That's the glorious thing about the Word of God: there's always so much to discover. What do those verses mean, that we're discussing, then, if you've never heard this kind of exegesis? Or does it matter? I know to some Christians, they can care less. But I do care :)

At least you didn't tell me to BURN my Bibles and get a Roman Catholic one.

I guess my challenge would be, if those verses don't really mean much of anything anyway, what does it matter if it's protestant, catholic, messianic, etc? ;D

(just so you know I'm aware of the differences...)

[gamarob1]

God knew what he was doing. Can you imagine all the boys named Jesus (including Tammuz), had the name been revealed from Genesis 3 and on?

LOL exactly! There were already a ton of them as it was, but had God revealed that that would be the exact name, EVERYONE would have gone for it, praying and hoping to be the family, thinking maybe they were.... God knew how to handle it.