Fr. Eugene Heidt and Archbishop Levada (A diocesan priest's experience)

Priest Where Is Thy Mass, Mass Where Is Thy Priest? | January 2004

[Dominick]

I would say one of the hallmarks of Modernism, the pick and choose mentality, is well entrenched in the SSPX.

If you consider that every Priest there is a vagus, and knows that are not incardinated, but they continue to operate irregularly. Without that they have no means to offer absolution, yet none of the faithful are told this before confession.

Yes, we can pick and choose in order to keep the doors open.

[Wessex]

"If you consider that every Priest there is a vagus, and knows that are not incardinated, but they continue to operate irregularly. Without that they have no means to offer absolution, yet none of the faithful are told this before confession."


Obedience has its limitations. You obviously don't think so. Rules and regulations employed to curtail traditional practice in favour of passing fads and damage limitation exercises are now bypassed by a growing number of priests who prefer the straight and narrow. We are in a dark era where cardinals are chosen for their heretical credentials, bishops are chosen for their close familiarity with corruption and priests emerge from the sewers of society. We are extremely indebted to the likes of Father Heidt in once again revealing the sickness that passes for the Church of today though some of us wish to remain blind to it.

[Quo Vadis Petre]

Pope Benedict XVI, when he was still Cardinal Ratzinger, did not see the SSPX as being in schism, as well as other canonists.

[Gerard.P]

So if he "sees fit" to try and confuse as many Catholics as possible. To let theologians spouting heresy go wild, allow sex abuse to tarnish the reputation of the Church. To promote indifferentism by his actions. That's all fine and dandy to you? And if he tells you not to resist any of these non-binding policies, you think you can obey him with impunity? Interesting.

[Dominick]

Cardinal Ratzinger used the term Schismatic Mentality.

[Dominick]

Cardinal Ratzinger used the term Schismatic Mentality.

[Wessex]

"Cardinal Ratzinger used the term Schismatic Mentality."

A convenient fence-sitting term. A lot of us could apply the term Heretical Mentality in his direction!

[murphE]

Cardinal Ratzinger used the term Schismatic Mentality.

Which has never been defined officially to my knowledge. Sure many people have tried to give me what they think it means, but no one can point to a specific, defined official definition. It is a meaningless term.

[Dominick]

supporters of those who are destroying the Church by undermining her teachings

As opposed to those who destroy the unity of the Church, by breaking from Rome by a positive disobedient action?

Maybe, if it please Him, God can use us somehow as humble tools to help turn this Barque around.

Like I said, the Pope is the Captain, and you are pledging mutiny. The same penalty applies, except the Royal Navy could only hang you, in Catholic Mutiny you hang yourself, for eternity.

Dominick and others on here encourage us to eat for our good.

You have no idea how I pray what Mass I prefer, except I shall not leave the Barque of Peter for the leaky rowboat of dissension and modernism of Lefebvre. Others pick and choose what part of the Magestarium the shall follow, for me, I submit my will to God, and follow the Church God provides for me.

Oeconomiste (Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus!)

This is funny from someone promoting Schism.

[Dominick]

Why don't you be a man and cut with the sniping insults?

OK. I think you are simply a troll. I also didnt direct my comments at you, but at your suppositions. If I may quote you:

Traditional Catholics on this board jamming the confusion

Domonick ... avid (some might say pathological) supporters

destroying the Church by undermining

trying to play the part of "conservative".

over this saccharine substitute Dominick

drink the poison cool-aid you foolians!

So who is the man? Who is the troll?

[Dominick]

I've been watching you Dom. Your sarcastic reposte's are really irritating and show a real lack of charity toward fellow Catholics.

No actually I usually post a link, along with my thoughts on the matter. You simply don't get it, and I do not post to please you, I post how I see the Church, as it pleases me. I am responsible for my writings, and I am sure Christ has a long list of complaints about them. Like most of us, I do not deserve such a Savior, it is an act of mercy to be allowed into purgatory.

So why are you usurping his authority by calling us something not even he dares to do?

I am permitted my opinion, unlike the Cardinal, who has to submit his will to the greater good of the Church. I am doing just like you are permitted to do. Fellay does not hold your view, that implies the Novus Ordo and the Holy See are un-Catholic. Fellay is appearing to work to reunite the SSPX in some form to the Church. In actuality, I suspect he is a prisoner of his own circumstances, as I expect many in the SSPX are never going to return to Catholic Unity.

You are off topic.

This is about one disobedient Priest tarring the name of a Archbishop. Some have taken this chance to to substantiate these claims but to heap on the unsupported insult that he has more sinister sins. Telling your congregation that the Bishop is not Catholic should have earned him more than what happened.

I have been looking for heterodox writings or statements by Levada, and I have found none. Every one that has been offered has fallen flat. Posting links of unknown authorship from such a spurious organization of the Diocese of SF, does not prove the Archbishop has any problems, in fact, the removal of such items shows the appearance that he is heterodox may have been hasty.

Use the tools God gave you, and hunt for something substantial and on topic about Levada.

[gbcdoj]

Pope Benedict XVI, when he was still Cardinal Ratzinger, did not see the SSPX as being in schism, as well as other canonists.

Want to substantiate this?

Without any doubt, the problem that Lefebvre has posed has not been concluded by the rupture of June 30. It would be too simple to take refuge in a sort of triumphalism, and to think that this difficulty has ceased to exist from the moment in which the movement led by Lefebvre has separated itself by a clean break with the Church. ... If once again we succeed in pointing out and living the fullness of the Catholic religion with regard to these points, we may hope that the schism of Lefebvre will not be of long duration. (Cardinal Ratzinger, Remarks to the Bishops of Chile, June 13, 1988)

[Dominick]

Anyway, I'm not off topic to point out your false obedience, after all, Dom, what is it that we do which is schismatic anyway?

Off topic, like I said, the SSPX isn't the issue it is Levada and his unfitness.

Sheesh, the pink elephant is in the room.

Prove it. That is what I have been asking and all people in your particular Barque can do is cast doubt, without proof. Repeated requests have gone unanswered. This is not justice, as a Catholic understands it. I asked for links, it is easy to claim someone is a homosexual, it is also a grave sin to spread a lie.

Maybe you work in Laverda's communications office and have your degree from some dubiously catholic institution like CUA or Fordham? Maybe it is also true that you wouldn't mind attending one of Bishop Laverda's continuing education seminars?

At this point you are baiting me. I am sorry, did you say be a man and quit making insults?

[Dominick]

I've been watching you Dom.

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