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Fr. Eugene Heidt and Archbishop Levada (A diocesan priest's experience)
Priest Where Is Thy Mass, Mass Where Is Thy Priest? | January 2004

Posted on 05/13/2005 9:57:43 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah

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To: american colleen
In other words, there are those who really are their own pope and who cannot be humble enough to accept that they might not know the best thing to do in a given situation or papal appointment.

A classic holier than thou phrase. Thanks. I'll add it to the watchlist.

161 posted on 05/15/2005 3:03:01 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: american colleen
Was just wondering what the heck Catholics disagreed over back before there was media or printed word - plus the problem of widespread overwhelming illiteracy. I mean, most people probably were hazy on who the pope was, never mind who he appointed to the various curial positions.

You make me think of a kinda cute story about my from-the-old-country Polish great-grandmother (God rest her soul).

My mother remembers her, back around 1940-ish, always saying in her broken English , when talking about the reformation ...

"That g** d*** Luther!"

She had a pretty good clue as to what was going on, and from what I understand (I never got to meet her) she let everyone know it, lol.

162 posted on 05/15/2005 3:07:32 PM PDT by kstewskis
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To: Fred; murphE; Gerard.P; vox_freedom

It gets better (or worse actually).

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Archbishop William Levada. Dialogue and Dogmatism by Mary Adamski, published in the Honolulu-Star Bulletin, Saturday July 31, 2004 includes quotes from San Francisco Archbishop William Levada:

"Many of us as bishops are newly committed to seeking a path of dialogue in these areas," said Archbishop William Levada of San Francisco. "You don't start that path of dialogue by telling people you are going to refuse them Communion."


163 posted on 05/15/2005 3:33:24 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; Fred; murphE; Gerard.P; vox_freedom
Why must you make us go through the exercise of linking the article? The Star Bulletin article on Archbishop Levada

Tactics may be different, but his goal is obvious from the article. If I can observe, for the pro-abortion political leaders in Europe, they have no fear or denial of Communion. I disagree with his take, but I don't have his job. It boils down to considering a Politician the same an an obstinate sinner.

His perspective on Abortion is the Church position:
"When we talk about abortion, from the perspective of many of us, we are talking about an issue of human life and justice toward unborn human beings. Our teaching from the beginning of Christianity has been that God forms life in the mother's womb, and it should be respected and protected."

on same-sex marriage:
"I think it is one of most significant challenges to American culture that has arisen in quite a while. We should debate it with as much insight as we can. I think it will undermine a key foundation of society, marriage and family if same-sex marriage is approved."

Nothing heterodox.
164 posted on 05/15/2005 4:03:10 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
LOL! I've been called a lot worse than 'holier than thou'!

Perhaps you are more spiritually advanced than I am and you have been given the gift of discernment that may elude me. I say this honestly, it is something I will pray about tonight.

165 posted on 05/15/2005 4:07:58 PM PDT by american colleen (Long live Benedict XVI!)
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To: Dominick
Nothing heterodox.

Except his failure to heed the words of St. Paul and Rome (was it Cardinal Arinze?) which instruct priests to deny Communion to pro-aborts.

Politicians like Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi who campaign for the right to stick a fork in a baby's skull and remove its brains are obstinate sinners Dominick. There is no "dialogue" with sin.

166 posted on 05/15/2005 4:08:20 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: kstewskis
Sounds like my Irish born former IRA member (when the IRA was ok) grandfather. Caught me reading a biography on the Tutor dynasty and he took it away from me and threw it against the wall! He told me (loudly) that I shouldn't bother reading about heretics and murderers. He then proceeded to sit me down in 'the parlour' and give me a two hour lecture on the Tutors and on Irish history.

I think I liked when the world wasn't so politically correct. :-)

167 posted on 05/15/2005 4:14:49 PM PDT by american colleen (Long live Benedict XVI!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=52502

"The norm of the Church is clear," he said. "The Catholic Church exists in the U.S.A. and there are bishops there. Let them interpret."

I would deny Communion to rank-and-file members of the Democratic Party who support people like Pelosi, who is under Levada's jurisdiction.
169 posted on 05/15/2005 4:15:35 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: american colleen

I know nothing about the state of your soul. Likewise, you know nothing about mine. I would appreciate you and your friends on this thread stop the name calling and accusations you direct my way while claiming you are all "non-judgmental humble people."


170 posted on 05/15/2005 4:15:48 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Please point out where I claimed to be a 'non-judgemental humble person' and where I called you a name and accused you of anything.

You shouldn't think the worst of people you know.

171 posted on 05/15/2005 4:20:22 PM PDT by american colleen (Long live Benedict XVI!)
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To: BulldogCatholic
>>>>>>Sainthood? I would not want to be that man when he meets God and he is asked why he refused to take the Papal Oath and Kissed the Koran, the book that blasphemes Christianity

Ah, yes, the hatred for John Paul II that is always simmering below the surface among some of the posters here. I think the late pontiff is enjoying the beatific vision right now, after first having been embraced by the Mother whom he loved so well and to whom he dedicated the entirety of his priestly service to Christ's Church.

172 posted on 05/15/2005 4:41:10 PM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: gbcdoj

Quick word on this 'cause I think I understand it better.

When the example of St. Paul was used as some sort of parallel for this priest's actions, what crossed my mind shortly after was that this priest was no St. Paul in terms of postion, expertise and all the other.

And I see now that Pope St. Pius X pretty much spells out what my first instincts latched on to.


173 posted on 05/15/2005 6:42:56 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: american colleen
there are those who really are their own pope and who cannot be humble enough to accept that they might not know the best thing to do in a given situation or papal appointment.

Was it Luther who said 'everyone has a pope in their belly?' Probably accounts for his near terminal constipation.

Caught a talk of Fr. Corapi today on Faith. It was really good. First talk of his I ever heard was on humility. I don't think that early on this trek back to my Faith I understood what it means to be humble. I see more clearly now what it consists of, and I think Faith and humility are intimately linked.

I want to see P B-16 succeed beyond his wildest hopes and desires, and I think he's the type of man who can blot out the millions of popes in millions of bellies. I wish him only the best, and I'm not about to start second-guessing he who the Holy Spirit appointed. I've made up my mind, I'm not following any ragsheets on him. I can find out what I need to know via other sources. I'm not going to countenance propaganda.

174 posted on 05/15/2005 6:53:35 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: Frank Sheed

Thanks for the ping.


175 posted on 05/15/2005 6:56:30 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: american colleen; All
"Was just wondering what the heck Catholics disagreed over back before there was media or printed word"

So glad you asked...

For those of you from Rio Linda a small sampling of HERESIES!!!

What Catholics disagreed on, and did a damm good job without the media:

Arianism
Oh, boy, plenty of "holy" bishops on board for this one!!!! Arius, Bishop of Nicomedia, who the heresy is named after

Albigenses

Eutychianism

Monothelitism and Monothelites

Nestorius and Nestorianism

Pelagius and Pelagianism

Another great "Holy" Bishop; Cornelius Jansen, Bishop of Ypres
Jansenius and Jansenism

etc,etc,etc,etc..... Are there Bishops that are disenters in the RCC? OH YEAH!!! Will there be more, you bet....

176 posted on 05/15/2005 7:54:25 PM PDT by Fred
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To: american colleen; All
"Was just wondering what the heck Catholics disagreed over back before there was media or printed word"

So glad you asked...

For those of you from Rio Linda a small sampling of HERESIES!!!

What Catholics disagreed on, and did a damm good job without the media:

Arianism
Oh, boy, plenty of "holy" bishops on board for this one!!!! Arius, Bishop of Nicomedia, who the heresy is named after

Albigenses

Eutychianism

Monothelitism and Monothelites

Nestorius and Nestorianism

Pelagius and Pelagianism

Another great "Holy" Bishop; Cornelius Jansen, Bishop of Ypres
Jansenius and Jansenism

etc,etc,etc,etc..... Are there Bishops that are disenters in the RCC? OH YEAH!!! Will there be more, you bet....

177 posted on 05/15/2005 7:55:02 PM PDT by Fred
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To: AlbionGirl
I think you are being misled. I suggest you read the entire encyclical.

What the now dying Fr. Heidt did was simply point out the objective actions of his bishop.

St. Pius X admitted after that encyclical that there were enemies in the ranks of the priesthood itself. Many of those priests became bishops. And their pupils have continued in the Church to this day. Now as Paul VI said, the smoke of Satan has entered the Church and is in the HIGHEST levels of the heirarchy.

During the course of his pontificate Pius X came to know that many of the safeguards that were tried and true were no longer reliable. He felt in 1907 that the bishops were trustworthy. There is no way on earth or in Heaven above that he would have endorsed of been happy with the modernist push at Vatican II that led to the disaster of the contemporary Church. Fr. Heidt is the one who is loyal to the religion that Pius X was safeguarding. Fr. Heidt certainly was not inventing doctrines or engaging in bizarre rituals with Lutherans in some kind of Frankenstein experiment "Mass". Had Pius X been Pope, bishop Levada would be picking figs at a monastery.

Just read the first two paragraph of Pascendi and you'll see what I'm talking about.

1. One of the primary obligations assigned by Christ to the office divinely committed to Us of feeding the Lord's flock is that of guarding with the greatest vigilance the deposit of the faith delivered to the saints, rejecting the profane novelties of words and the gainsaying of knowledge falsely so called. There has never been a time when this watchfulness of the supreme pastor was not necessary to the Catholic body, for owing to the efforts of the enemy of the human race, there have never been lacking "men speaking perverse things,"[1] "vain talkers and seducers,"[2] "erring and driving into error."[3] It must, however, be confessed that these latter days have witnessed a notable increase in the number of the enemies of the Cross of Christ, who, by arts entirely new and full of deceit, are striving to destroy the vital energy of the Church, and, as far as in them lies, utterly to subvert the very Kingdom of Christ. Wherefore We may no longer keep silence, lest We should seem to fail in Our most sacred duty, and lest the kindness that, in the hope of wiser counsels, We have hitherto shown them, should be set down to lack of diligence in the discharge of Our office.
2. That We should act without delay in this matter is made imperative especially by the fact that the partisans of error are to be sought not only among the Church's open enemies; but, what is to be most dreaded and deplored, in her very bosom, and are the more mischievous the less they keep in the open. We allude, Venerable Brethren, to many who belong to the Catholic laity, and, what is much more sad, to the ranks of the priesthood itself, who, animated by a false zeal for the Church, lacking the solid safeguards of philosophy and theology, nay more, thoroughly imbued with the poisonous doctrines taught by the enemies of the Church, and lost to all sense of modesty, put themselves forward as reformers of the Church; and, forming more boldly into line of attack, assail all that is most sacred in the work of Christ, not sparing even the Person of the Divine Redeemer, whom, with sacrilegious audacity, they degrade to the condition of a simple and ordinary mall.

And referring to the imprimatur:

Nor are you to be deterred by the fact that a book has obtained elsewhere the permission which is commonly called the Imprimatur, both because this may be merely simulated, and because it may have been granted through carelessness or too much indulgence or excessive trust placed in the author, which last has perhaps sometimes happened in the religious orders.

178 posted on 05/15/2005 9:11:14 PM PDT by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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To: american colleen
I think I liked when the world wasn't so politically correct. :-)

Ah, the days when it is what it was, and no one was afraid to say it.

I hear ya there!

179 posted on 05/15/2005 9:33:54 PM PDT by kstewskis
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To: Dominick

"I imagine you are not Catholic so this simply is a pointless discussion."


I am not Catholic Lite for sure. All for the sake of an artificial unity, we are asked to prop up questionable prelates who fiddle with and fudge doctrine to appease encroaching secularism .... and who come down heavily on hard-working priests with the courage to reject such dilution of faith. In these circumstances. any priest has a duty to disobey.


180 posted on 05/16/2005 2:55:18 AM PDT by Wessex
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