Posted on 05/13/2005 1:15:36 PM PDT by NYer
If Angelus Press reprints old books, that is nice. It also prints the work of the currently living SSPX leaders, does it not? Hence it publishes schismatic and/or excommunicated authors.
Wanna deny that SSPXers also edit Angelus Books????? I did not think so.
Brush the foam off the beer and your entire point is that you, like SSPX adherents generally, deny reality or deny the authority and exercise of that authority by John Paul II to take out the schismatic and excommunicated SSPX trash. He did both in Ecclesia Dei. You know it. You now need to admit it and that will satisfactorily conclude this discussion. Whether you choose to return to the Roman Catholic Church from the dark precincts of the schism is entirely up to you and no real concern of mine.
No the Pope was engaging in errors and policies that were destroying huge parts of the Church and endangering millions of souls.
It is not a false premise. There are plenty of post conciliar quotes from the very people that were doing the damage, add that to the empirical evidence and the condition of the Church and "the smoke of Satan" was and is still billowing all over the place.
There was no schism. That was another bogus charge. Doesn't matter what a Pope says, error is error, lies are lies, injustice is injustice.
God have mercy on JPII and Paul VI for their participation in the attempted destruction of the Church.
I will no longer respond to you for I refuse to be an accessory by provocation.
Seems like when he "took out the SSPX trash" he tracked some Black Elk poo on his feet and now it's stinking up the Church. :)
Be careful. You probably should burn your mail. You know that you might have an SSPX adherent as your mailman.
It'd be a shame to lose all that mail labeled "resident" though.
I get it now! The neo knobs are in a fit because this thread has too much truth in it. So, they are trying to start a flame war and get it pulled.
I'll copy the whole thing for future reference and then I'm done with this.
!!! A little too much hostility there, maybe?
... from a heart overflowing with love We ask each and every one of them to correspond to the interior movements of grace, and to seek to withdraw from that state in which they cannot be sure of their salvation ... (Pius XII, Mystici Corporis)
Yeah, that's the problem, his testimony contradicts the decree (saying Mass happens to be one of the privileges of priestly ordination), and the statement of the Jesuit Vicar General:
I spoke with Fr. Vincent O'Keefe, former vicar general of the Society of Jesus who is now retired. According to Fr. O'Keefe, Malachi Martin was indeed dispensed from his vows of poverty and obedience but not the vow of chastity. At the time Martin requested such dispensation, the Vatican was not dispensing priests who so requested such dispensation from the vow of chastity or celibacy.
Anyone can say that Paul VI said anything to them. That's why his status is unclear.
You do realize how annoying it is to have you ask me to discuss a topic and then to receive nothing but non-substantiative taunts in reply, don't you? If you aren't interested in a two-way dialogue, don't ping me anymore.
Fine by me, please return the courtesy.
It is the Catholic church that has defected from the church and her teachings- not SSPX or any of the other 700 or so traditional church's in the US. All they want is to worship in a reverent way and not have the spirit of Ecumenism, folk masses, hand holding, swaying, 60,000 annulments a year, communion in the hand, tabernacles removed, kids dressed in shorts and flip flops, girls with midrifs showing, unconsecrated hands distributing our Lords body into unconsecrated hands and then to be sold on e-bay, standing instead of kneeling to receive our Lords body after his sacrifice was made with us worshipping God and not eachother, reading from scripture from the DR-bible and not the retranslated PC version new American......Did I leave anything out? Sounds like a new religion to me and maybe Archbishop Lefebvre was trying to save his soul, as others have done in past heresy's and did not defect with the church. Anyone remember some bad Popes we had, like maybe Pope Leo DeMedici who purchased the papacy and then had to sell indulgences to pay off the sistine chapel and caused Luther to go nuts?
Well you may have to put Pope John XXIII and Paul VI in with him when history looks back on the Catholic church in the 21st century
"Like other groups that have separated themselves from the Magisterium, the SSPX no longer resembles the vision of its founder."
The vision of its founder who said Novus Ordo is an abortion and Rome has a new religion was to turn things around. So far, things have got worse ... and will get worse so the traditional movement will continue to grow.
"The Catholic Church now stands at 1.1 billion and is growing in leaps and bounds."
Newchurch seems to brag a billion nominally. I fear this may include a lot of semi-pagan natives jumping up and down in the jungle. Do you count these as well as those who go to protestant churches and supermarkets instead on a Sunday? Remember Ratz said he wanted a smaller church, so your inflated statistic may be in for some pruning if his bite is lounder than his bark.
The SSPX are protestants who claim to be catholic. They are no different from the liberal wing of the church in their selective teachings. Both are cafeteria catholics.
The SSPX nor Angelus Press wrote "My Catholic Faith" (or many of the reprints they publish for that matter).
Thats a fallacy. Protestantism is denial of Catholic dogma (articles of Faith). The SSPX haven't denied any articles of Faith. Therefore, they cannot be Protestants. At least you haven't gone to the point bornacatholic did i.e.; making up words and being silly.
Leo X is portrayed worse than he really was.
Bump to save for later because of a breakfast conversation I had after mass this morning.
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