Episcopal Bishop: Dissenting members should leave the church

Midland Reporter Telegram ^ | 5/05/2005 | Elise Rambaud,

[sionnsar]

This is my church.

I am sorry to hear this. Will you be joining the ACN?

[MeanWestTexan]

I believe our new name is Christ Church Anglican something.

Not sure if that is ACN or not. Suppose I will find out Sunday.

I just reposted this article with Bishop Ohl's contact information, in the event anyone cares to let him know how they feel.

I personally would like to throw a brick in his window, so this is a happy compromise.

[sionnsar]

I think that is a good compromise.

When you find out Sunday, could you FReepmail me, please? I am interested. (I ask for FReepmail because, as I will announce to the list later, I leave tomorrow for a week-long trip and I may be incommunicado for the whole time.)

[johnb838]

Great. I quit.

[johnb838]

That would be fair, but there is no splitting. What these people have, unfortunately, done is raise the money, built the building, turned the title over to the Diocese, and are now being evicted.

I'm leaving the Episcopal Church. I'm not even writing an Opus.

[johnb838]

I bet he had all his nice conciliatory (s/b concEALiatory) words about inclusion, and harmony, and discernment, and healing) before he said be out by the 31st.

[caseinpoint]

Sorry to hear that. It's amazing how much power such a tiny minority of the population at large can wield. I hope you can get a judge who understands the equity of the situation and lets you keep your church.

My own church is also under attack. We are manning the battlements and awaiting more assaults. Incidentally, my church heavily sponsors the Boy Scouts, incorporating it as part of our youth program for all young men; however, should the Boy Scouts have to knuckle under and allow homosexuals to serve as scout leaders, my church is already prepared to drop its sponsorship completely. In the meantime, we individual members are heavily contributing directly to the Boy Scouts to enable it to keep fighting the same problems suffered by the Catholic Church.

This battle will continue. May I commend your integrity and hope for you God's blessings in this worthy battle. We may not agree on religious philosophy but we can certainly fight some battles side by side.

[KC Burke]

The largest church in the Kansas diocese, in suburban Kansas City, just went through this and assumed the balance of the debt on their physical property and paid a negotiated amount to buy the equity. You mitght want the contact Christ Church in Overland Park, Kansas and find the specifics.

Regardless, blessings on your courage to stand for the truth. I have no deslusions that my congregants would have as much sense.

[sionnsar]

I'm leaving the Episcopal Church.

I am sorry to hear this -- even though I did the same, 22 years ago. But I found a wonderful church home in the APCK.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

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Ohl is all about power. I am beginning to doubt whether he is even a Christian.--

As an outsider looking in, and one who has suffered through a congregational level split in my pre-Catholic days, you have my sympathy and best wishes. It hurts, but I hope the dust settles soon.

I am beginning to wonder how many of the upper level ECUSA leaders are Christian anymore myself...What a testimony to how the dark side works.

To paraphrase something St. Augustine said, Evil isn't about the total abscence of good...it's about a deficit, a deficiency that really needs to be there.

My prayers for your congregation.

[johnb838]

What is APCK?

[MeanWestTexan]

You are so lucky to have Bishop Stanton.

Ohl is just such a weak, vindictive, little man.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

The Anglican Province of Christ the King?

(mea culpa for being a compulsive googler)

http://anglicanpck.org/index.html

The Province of Christ the King represents Apostolic Christianity in the Anglican tradition. Our beliefs are stated on the pages of the 1928 Book of Common Prayer.

The Province of Christ the King is an Anglican Church committed to traditional forms of doctrine and liturgy. The Province is a body composed of five dioceses with parishes and missions throughout the United States.

The Church's responsibility is to reveal Christ to the world. The Province of Christ the King holds the "faith once delivered to the saints" as handed down from the apostolic fathers.

Procession

T. S. Eliot expresses our understanding of contemporary culture from the Christian perspective:

The Universal Church is today, it seems to me, more definitely set against the World than at any time since Pagan Rome. I do not mean that our times are particularly corrupt; all times are corrupt. In spite of certain local appearances, Christianity is not and cannot be within measurable time, 'official'. The World is trying the experiment of attempting to form a civilized but non-Christian mentality. The experiment will fail; but we must be very patient in awaiting its collapse; meanwhile redeeming the time: so that the Faith may be preserved alive through the dark ages before us; to renew and rebuild civilization, and save the World from suicide.

--- T. S. Eliot

[sionnsar]

That is correct. The APCK is the Anglican Province of Christ the King.

If you check the webpage in my tagline you will see a number of Anglican provinces listed, along with links to parish directories. That was Arlin's idea, a couple of years or so ago, and the beginning of the Traditional Anglican Directory and Resource Page.

[johnb838]

At this point I'd be a lot happier if they were using the 1662 BCP.

[caseinpoint]

May you find a spiritual home where the Lord's words are valued and followed, even at the expense of political incorrectness. I don't believe Christians were promised an easy life but don't tell some of the so-called leaders of Christian denominations these days. ;o)