Posted on 05/04/2005 7:58:31 AM PDT by pro610
Would that include Cornerstone church?
I meant to say semi-pelagian (or extreme arminianism which may grant that we are directly responsible for others going to hell if we don't tell them the Gospel)
Your doctrine is weak. Corin's is even worse.
I am no fan of Hagee....
Just wondered, because there's a link to it on the Corley web site.
BTW, I have no dog in this fight. I don't read Warren or really anyone else, being satisfied with just reading my King James. I just think the author in the original post engages in hyperbole to the extreme (the Church is not close to being "devastated" because some guy named Blanchard writes something in the dust jacket of another book).
I have had pastors say to me, “who do these people think they are challenging me from the Scriptures? They have never been to seminary; they are not as studied as I; they are really ignorant of a deep knowledge of the Bible and, yet, they are trying to scrutinize me?” That’s actually happened. Listen, locking a man up in a seminary for four years, training him on key areas of language, church history, systematic theology, practical theology, and general Bible knowledge doesn’t necessarily make a pastor or produce a shepherd at the end of the day. Most will acknowledge, even in the best of scenarios, that the process is flawed and needs to be reexamined. In some very fine seminaries that I have been privileged to sing or speak, a lot of young men have gone from those learned institutions only to split a church within their first year of ministry. In other words, shepherds are born not in classrooms; but in the crucible of God’s sovereign choosing from within the local church. Seminary education is important; but it is only one dimensional. Pastors may say from the stage, “hold me accountable to what I teach; I desire to be truthful in all that I say.” We can’t judge motives; "love believes all things"; so we take them at their words—and fine words they are. But when you have to ask the pastor to rethink a position or prove from the Word of God his sermon to its veracity, you might be met with almost an offended look as opposed to a welcomed one. I have seen and experienced this first hand.Dear men of God, if you have faithful “Bereans” in your church constantly plying you with questions, constantly examining you with the Word of God, constantly offering you from the well of careful learning a word of circumspection, don’t recoil at those parishioners, but thank the Lord for them for you are blessed.
Good for you. I am sincerely glad to hear that.
However, it's becoming terribly popular. It's just one part of another delusion that is sweeping through the church. So ... don't be surprised if you are confronted with it eventually.
Have him post it on his site and I'll take a look.
and I'd highly recommend getting the book "Deceived on Purpose" by Warren Smith.
I'm not spending money on Warren's book, so I'm certainly not spending on another book criticizing a book I won't buy. Especially when I can't keep the author's straight because each have "Warren" in their name.
BTW, if Mr. Smith is worried about us being decieved by the other Warren, let him post his work for all to see. Hate to think any of us would stay decieved because we don't have an extra sawbuck.
And here you told us you were a Calvinist. Shame, shame. ;O)
We calvinists in the Arminian tradition simply weren't well received. :>)
I'm not a Christian, I don't have a dog in this fight.
Yeah, well I found your #178 slamming of the US Army chaplaincy to be offensive. These guys have laid their lives on the line in too many places. They travel the battlefields unarmed except for a chaplain kit that might contain for the troops anything from communion to crosses.
You think they're doctrinal illiterates, but their chaplain resupply kits includes tracts, plastic liners, and bibles. The tracts they use to lead our troops -- potential casualties -- to Christ; the plastic liners they use by digging a foxhole, inserting the liner, filling with water, and conducting baptisms of those who might soon depart to be with the Lord; the bibles they give to the troops so they might grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. They do this in imminent danger of injury or death.
Believe it or not, some of them are even of your own denomination....whatever that might be.
And they're not sitting back home arguing about arranging chairs in mega-churches or empty-churches.
Do you have something substantive to say to or about me? Or did you just log on to insult Arminians and Army chaplains?
charming sowing of discord
Basing your comments off of a post or two hardly places you in a position to gauge xzins Christian discernment
I would suggest some reflective prayer - particularly for your inter-personal skills
Follow the money...
that's a pretty provocative one.
On one of the recent Catholic Threads you came out admitting that you are a Catholic. You stated The point is that all denominations of Christianity have their problems because "Man"tends to try to Psychoanalyze the work of the Holy Spirit. I don,t consider myself anymore Christian then anyone else just because I,m Catholic"
Considering the fact that you have essentially set yourself up as the premier defender of the Evangelical Movement in your rabid criticism of Rick Warren, I must conclude that your motives may be different than that which you convey.
The fact of the matter is that Rick Warren's book has probably had a tremendous effect on uncommitted Catholics and I suspect that many Catholics who have been dissatisified with the liberalism and ritualism of Modern Catholicism may find comfort and meaning in a "Purpose Driven Life" that they have not gotten at the local parishes. Thus I suspect that the reason that you are so concerned about the influence of Rick Warren and his books is not because you are so concerned about protecting the integrity of the Evangelical Movement, but it is rooted in a concern that the effectiveness of the Evangelical Movement may result in many Catholics finding meaning and purpose in Evangelical and other Protestant Churches.
I am pinging a lot of people to this post because I think it is important for all your fellow Rick Warren bashing colleages and all the Rick Wrren defenders to know that there may be posters in their midst who may have ulterior motives for denigrating what actually may be an effective movement of God.
And next time someone asks you what denomination you are, don't pussyfoot around. Your claim that you were "raised a Catholic" implies that you either never joined or you stopped considering yourself a member. Thus your answer belies your post where you admit that you ARE presently a Catholic and thus your loyalty is to the Catholic Church and not the Evangelical movement.
Next time just tell everyone that you are a Catholic. Don't try to be so coy.
Have a nice day.
Marlowe
I didn't know you are Catholic.
What diocese?
The fact of the matter is that by your admissions on this and other posts, you have no credibility on the Rick Warren issue. You are not a member of any Church that would be affected either positively or negatively by his ministry. You are just stirring the pot for the purpose of creating dissention among the saints.
At least the cat is now out of the bag. Don't pretend to be a concerned Protestant. You have never made a committment to any protestant denomination or protestant confession. So quit pretending to care what happens to Protestant churches. You don't. Otherwise you'd become one.
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