Posted on 05/03/2005 1:55:42 PM PDT by suzyjaruki
We want to be catered in everything ,so we lose our right to develop into becoming the ministry. We put all the spiritual responsibility on pastors thus forfeiting our right as Christians to mature and develop.We live in a world where getting ahead means moving up the ladder,no different than in the church.What happened to decreasing and Him increasing.Institutionalized Churches are Agenda orientated and revolve around positional parties. I think God wants us to be more intimate with each other,while coming together with no agenda but to seek Him and to share Christ with one another. It's time to move outside of the box and to grow in Christ.
When a church files for tax exemption as a 501(c)(3), it becomes a non-profit corporation. It's just a short walk from there to having the pastor think of himself as a manager/CEO.
This kind of coming together would include accountability.
Thanks for your comments.
I have seen a refusal by someone to become a member of a church for this very reason.
Yes I agree ,so when we don't forsake getting together with other Christians ,our walk with Christ will show itself. The hard part is trusting God to teach because we don't walk with each other daily, but we do need to go to battle for our brothers and sisters through prayer and relationship.
When I left the institutionalized church ,the first thing we tried to do as believers were to try forming another organization,by getting a tax exempt. The problem with this is that it started to put rule upon rule. So if we wanted to give,it wasn't done freely but through the organization. Jesus Christ came to set us free so that we as believers would start to move from the heart without any motives but to follow him. God's gifts are present when we get together and there is no hiding out because we are starting to know each other like a family. Not an OFFICIAL membership but members of a bigger family with Jesus Christ written on our hearts. So hard for some to handle because people want you to be controlled and to fit into their system.
Many large churches hire a business manager who reports to a board of trustees or elders elected by the membersip of the church so the Pastoral staff can concentrate on pastoring. It is not a pastor as CEO and the pastor.
Certainly, there are churches where the senior pastor controls everything, but it isn't Biblical and I wouldn't attend such a church. One might also contrast this with a denominational system where absentee overseers control virtually all the decisions of the local congregations through edicts. That is much worse.
Good stuff. I'm a slow reader with little time, but from the little I've skimmed ("dehumanizing effects of Industrial Revolution... Overlookers not overseers), looks like this is worth a read...
A great truth in today's churches. I think of some of the churches where, once the charismatic preacher has fallen (like Swagger or the Bakkers), the "ministry" falls and assets are sold off to entertainers.
Does it make you feel bigger to degrade other people's churches?
If these people spent half as much time extolling the virtues of their own empty churches instead of tearing down the ones that are filled, they might find that their own churches would begin to grow. But then if their churches grew, they might turn into - gasp - mega churches.
I got news for the naysayers:
(Acts 2:47 KJV) Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Praising God = Happy Clappy
Having favor with all the people = Popular with the unwashed masses
And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved = Mega Churches
We are having a problem with our pastor. He is not the shepherd I thought he was..
We form an artificial entity called a corporations created by the state to take advantage of the limitation on personal liability
Lawsuits have certainly changed our freedom. Whenever the public is involved, a potential lawsuit is at hand. It is for protection that the corporation is formed in the first place. That is very sad.
Some pastors are great at teaching, but not at evangelism. Others have a heart for visitation, but are so-so preachers. I'm sure you have some particular talent you could help with, rather than sitting on your hands bemoaning about how bad of a pastor he is.
You have no place to complain if you are not actively involved in the ministry yourself. The Biblical model of leadership, while instituting particular leaders of the congregation, anticipates an active involved laity that is no less in the ministry than the pastor.
We have nine pastors, each with a different gift/calling. A couple deal specifically with the business aspects of the church. They are not the senior pastors.
On the rare occasions when we see all nine pastors on the platform at once, I am amazed at the picture of completeness in ministry and how their gifts compliment each other.
There's two pastors, each with different temperments and strengths. The session of elders, too, fill in the pastor's holes.
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