Posted on 05/03/2005 7:06:40 AM PDT by ninenot
Or at Mount Athos eating vegetables, our beards long, our hair tied back in a small bun and dressed completely in black...doing penance for our sins! :)
Not anymore. Slowly, but surely, smoke is disappearing from bars.
St. Louis has gone the way of the lifestyle nannies?
Too bad.
Regards,
More like the state of Missouri, and frankly, when it came to some places, they were so smoky I couldn't go. I get MASSIVE headaches. Once the bars started seating on the sidewalks during the temperate months, people like me could actually go.
Sounds like some of those places needed new air conditioners. That would have taken care of the problem pronto.
Regards,
Thanks.
I am also a subscriber to Gilbert!
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The music of the Liturgy is a recurring subject at Orthodox parishes among some converts. They say they miss the hymns they sang in their pre-Orthodox days at church. I don't doubt that one bit, but as we explain to them, the designated hymns of the Divine Liturgy are as much part of the Liturgy as, say, the Our Father or the Antiphons. They are not something which changes with the weather or at the whim of a priest."
I actually have a spare moment between things to write. But I, in distinction to some converts, do not miss the hymns of my latter days. There is a superficiality in the warp and woof of them. Scripture tells us to teach and admonish one another in hymns (COl.3:16 ?) We could well say in addition to "the rule of prayer is the rule of faith" the rule of hymns is the rule of faith" Every antiphon is orchestrated providentially by the Spirit of God.
I am reading the article(s) by R. which you linked.
Although my 'first read' simply demands that I read them again, it does seem that B-16 winds up being of mixed mind on the move from Platonic to Aristotelian thinking.
To me, it seems that he is perfectly comfortable with the Platonic viewpoint, and not quite as comfy with the Aristotelian, albeit the RC more or less went the Ari. path after roughly 1200 AD.
Rather, he frames them as complementary--that is, the Ortho's Platonism is Christ-Resurrected-centric, while the RC's Aristotelianism is Christ-in-History-centric (very, very rough terminology.)
The difficulty that he has with the Ari. foundation is due to the situation in which he finds the RC Church today--IOW, the Ari. foundation has allowed things to get a bit out of control.
Bottom-line: I think he's a bit more friendly to the GO's than you may conclude, at the foundational level--so his task is to reconcile the seemingly 'opposing' views.
Where he's going to go is to Christ as the center, whether from the 'salvation history' (Ari.) view, or the 'Resurrected' iconic/Platonic view, and I think he'll work from the Eucharist outward.
This disparity also has implications for the "Jerusalem/Athens" discussions AND for the Orthodox Jewish viewpoint, which would (logically) sort of ignore the Platonic stream.
Oh, my conclusion was that he was surprisingly friendly to the Orthodox ways of thinking. A better way of putting it is the way that Kolokotronis responded when I started sending him links to R.'s writings: B16 seems to be a man who thinks more patristically than any prominent RC we have encountered in a long time.
Regarding Platonism v. Aristotle and all that, if you spend time with Orthodox writings, you will find that contrary to popular presentations which paint us as Platonic, and RC's as Aristotelean, we are actually closer to where you describe the Orthodox Jews. In a word, Orthodoxy has long rejected the pagan philosophers.
Orthodox theology has been described as Hebrew concepts described in the Greek language. Thus, we might use the same words as the philosophers, but they are defined with specifically Christian meanings that are grounded in Hebrew thought. We reject both Plato and Aristotle.
And Christ is always at the center. The faith for us is always personal and relational -- not theoretical and conceptual. If that is the tack that B16 takes, he find us cheering on the sidelines!
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