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Outline of a Ratzinger Papacy
National Catholic Reporter ^
| 4/17/2005
| John L. Allen
Posted on 04/17/2005 1:38:46 PM PDT by sinkspur
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posted on
04/17/2005 1:38:47 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Ratzinger would mount a strenuous defense of Catholic identity, resisting enticements from secular culture to water down church teaching and practice; he would stress Culture of Life issues, doing battle against gay marriage, euthanasia and stem cell research; he would ensure that theological speculation is contained within narrow limits.******************
Sounds good to me.
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posted on
04/17/2005 2:02:26 PM PDT
by
trisham
("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
To: sinkspur
bump for the PanzerKardinal. If not him, then let him direct the selection of the next Pope.
To: Piers-the-Ploughman
Oh, he will, he will. I don't think he'll be the next pope, but nobody will become pope without Ratzinger's backing, I believe.
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posted on
04/17/2005 2:16:54 PM PDT
by
wimpycat
(Hyperbole is the opium of the activist wacko.)
To: wimpycat
One scenario that's unlikely but fun to contemplate: Ratzinger is chosen as the next Pope; moderates and liberals go along, figuring that his papacy would be short. Then he stays active and healthy until 105 or so. ;)
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posted on
04/17/2005 2:32:25 PM PDT
by
Heatseeker
(Requiem in Pacem, Ioannes Paulus Magnus)
To: sinkspur; NYer; Salvation
Is there anyone who has focused on the saintly characteristics of the cardinals to determine if there is a "most spiritually" qualified candidate? Is there an Assissi, a Patrick, an Augustine among them?
How are they rank ordered on that kind of scale rather than on a "Vatican politics" scale? For example, one might have concerns about Cardinal Law's rank on the beatific scale.
This is a serious question from a curious outsider.
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posted on
04/17/2005 2:36:16 PM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
To: sinkspur
Merely to guarantee institutions is useless if there are no people to support those institutions from inner conviction. In the case of at least some colleges, Ratzingers instinct would thus be to drop the pretense that these are still Catholic institutions. He spelled this out in a book-length interview called Salt of the Earth: Once the church has acquired some good or position, she inclines to defend it. The capacity for self-moderation and self-pruning is not adequately developed .... its precisely the fact that the church clings to the institutional structure when nothing really stands behind it any longer that brings the church into disrepute.
The point applies also to hospitals, social service centers, and other institutions.
Do you have any comment on the above?
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posted on
04/17/2005 2:38:08 PM PDT
by
Torie
(Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
To: xzins
Is there anyone who has focused on the saintly characteristics of the cardinals to determine if there is a "most spiritually" qualified candidate? Is there an Assissi, a Patrick, an Augustine among them? I haven't seen that ranking. Gradations of spirituality are hard to measure.
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posted on
04/17/2005 2:38:58 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
To: Torie
It is up to the local bishop to sanction Catholic institutions. I suspect Ratzinger won't change that.
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posted on
04/17/2005 2:43:42 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
To: sinkspur
One can only hope that one of the more saintly candidates would be the final selection.
I agree that a "beatific scale" would be hard to create and then even harder to apply, for only God knows the intentions and motives of a man's heart.
But, wouldn't any church looking for a new leader be concerned that such things be the crucial part of the assessment?
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posted on
04/17/2005 2:45:12 PM PDT
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
To: sinkspur
So the text in your view has no practical substance I take it? I would certainly hope so.
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posted on
04/17/2005 2:45:25 PM PDT
by
Torie
(Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
To: sinkspur
If Ratzinger becomes Pope, first thing I want to see is a video of "Liberals Gone Wild." I'd be laughing all the way to Mass.
To: Torie
So the text in your view has no practical substance I take it?Unless Ratzinger decides he's going to interfere in yet another decision of local bishops, yes.
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posted on
04/17/2005 2:51:34 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
To: xzins
Fair question, but, as pointed out, it is hard to judge, especially for us here in Cyberspace. I would assume that anything negative about Ratzinger personally would have been printed and amplified and embellished 1000x over however given how he would have to be the last man "Catholic liberals" and the MSM want
To: sinkspur
This article further reinforces my belief that Cardinal Ratzinger would be an excellent pontiff, and is much more capable than his detractors suspect.
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posted on
04/17/2005 3:31:37 PM PDT
by
B Knotts
(Ioannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
To: sinkspur
Unless Ratzinger decides he's going to interfere in yet another decision of local bishops, yes. "yet another?"
Just what decisions are these local bishops currently proscribed from making? It seems to me that they are pretty much doing as they please now, short of ordaining priestesses. Generally, any new rulemaking from Rome is simply ignored.
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posted on
04/17/2005 3:34:59 PM PDT
by
B Knotts
(Ioannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
To: Torie
Merely to guarantee institutions is useless if there are no people to support those institutions from inner conviction. In the case of at least some colleges, Ratzingers instinct would thus be to drop the pretense that these are still Catholic institutions. He spelled this out in a book-length interview called Salt of the Earth: Once the church has acquired some good or position, she inclines to defend it. The capacity for self-moderation and self-pruning is not adequately developed .... its precisely the fact that the church clings to the institutional structure when nothing really stands behind it any longer that brings the church into disrepute.
The point applies also to hospitals, social service centers, and other institutions. Do you have any comment on the above?
It needs to apply to clergy even more strongly.
Discard all who give only lip service.
SO9
To: B Knotts
Generally, any new rulemaking from Rome is simply ignored.Is that a good thing?
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posted on
04/17/2005 3:51:11 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
To: Torie
In the case of at least some colleges, Ratzingers instinct would thus be to drop the pretense that these are still Catholic institutions. He spelled this out in a book-length interview called Salt of the Earth: Once the church has acquired some good or position, she inclines to defend it. The capacity for self-moderation and self-pruning is not adequately developed .... its precisely the fact that the church clings to the institutional structure when nothing really stands behind it any longer that brings the church into disrepute. The point applies also to hospitals, social service centers, and other institutions.
The whole article is nearly worthless. The NCR perspective on how the Church is governed is ridiculous--NCR hates the papacy, so a "conservative" like Ratzinger, to NCR, = big bureaucracy, crushing the lovely, beautiful, periphery from the big, bad Center.
But Ratzinger realizes that trying to control everything from the center can't be effective and only inspires opposition and is counterproductive. Yes, he'd try to strengthen institutions, but many of the measures outlined in this article _have_ to be done by regional or diocesan authorities to be effective. He's smart enough to know that.
This article tells you more about NCR/Liberal Catholic prejudices and ignorances than it does about Ratzinger.
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