Yes, Gay Men Should Be Ordained

America, the National Catholic Weekly ^ | September 30, 2002 | Bishop Thomas J. Gumbleton

[ikka]

The first bishop that should be removed by a new Pope.

[pipecorp]

If the sin of homosexuality is to be ignored, why not all other sins as well? Let rapists, muderers, child abusers, thieves, liars, arsonist and animal abusers all be ordained.

If you don't believe the religion, don't subscribe to it.

[Libertina]

It seems as if God's laws have been forgotten as religious "leaders" tell us what THEIR laws are.

[NeoCaveman]

The Jesuits, still greying and gaying.

[Revel]

Who is responsible for this article. "Catholic weekly"...The Church should be condeming this publication and ex-communicating anyone associated with it. Since when is Christianity based on worldly science.

[ConservativeMind]

I have no problem with a minister or priest having a homosexual tendency.

However, he must believe following through on such inclinations is abhorrent before God, as it is for a heterosexual to follow through on such things outside of marriage.

We all must strive for better, both homosexual and heterosexuals alike.

[murphE]

Of course! Why didn't I think of it. The solution to the crisis is MORE homosexuals!

[Grey Ghost II]

Letters

Demands an explanation

It absolutely boggled my mind that a bishop (in this case, Roman Catholic Bishop Gumbleton of Detroit) would don a pink triangle over the Christian cross on his bishop's miter. You didn't mention it, but the rainbow colors along the lower half of his miter are also a symbol of those "proud to be gay." Indeed, the rainbow colored flags and decals on cars are the way that homosexuals identify each other and show their pride in their behavior Once can spot the rainbow-colored flags every year at New York City's "Gay Pride" week.
I have to wonder if Bishop Gumbleton would put donkeys (the symbol of the Democratic Party) or elephants (symbol of the Republicans) on his vestments while speaking to such groups? Or maybe, if pedophiles have a symbol (and I am sure they do), would he put such a symbol on his vestments? Does his putting of these homosexual emblems on his vestments mean that he is also proud to be "gay" and engages in such behavior?
Bishop Gumbleton should be made to explain his actions, formally informed that such is inappropriate, and put under some form of censure by his archbishop or the Vatican.

xxxx xxxxxx

Fayetteville, North Carolina

[tomkat]

All these positions contribute to the sharp increase in the negative feelings that so many in the church and our society have toward homosexual persons

... while human physiology enforces its own game plan by ensuring that homos are, in the 'end', self-negating.

[Liberator]

All this must stop: the scapegoating of gay priests for the sex abuse crisis...

Well who else is supposed to take the bullet? The kids??

[Beowulf9]

There used to be a priest appear on the Art Bell show. A Father Malachi Martin. He had been priveledged to see the Letter from the Lady of Fatima, and knew the third secret.

He insisted there was a apostasy in the Catholic Church, very high up. I believe he was right.

You're right. The next Pope needs to clean house.

[Grey Ghost II]

January 21, 2005
Never Too Old

An interview with Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, who's about to turn 75

Bishop Thomas Gumbleton is supposed to write a letter to Pope John Paul II next Wednesday. Trouble is, he doesn't want to do it.

"Traditionally, you are supposed to write to the Pope on your 75th birthday and offer to resign," Michigan's most politically controversial bishop said, chuckling softly over breakfast. "But it's so arbitrary - some of them they ignore, but if you are the least bit progressive, they accept it immediately."

....

Born in Detroit, Father Tom was a young priest studying canon law in Rome when Pope John XXIII convened the famous council. He was fascinated. John Cardinal Dearden, then Detroit's archbishop, was a main player.

"He was one of only a few - I think there were only two - American bishops who could really handle Latin, and all the discussions were in Latin."

Bishop Tom believes he has a traditional and pastoral role, too; he also serves as priest of St. Leo, a drafty, century-old brick church in the inner city where many of the parishioners are desperately poor, and death by gunshot is all too common. When we had breakfast last week, he was waiting to find out whether he or another priest would preside over the funeral of one of these. The last time I visited him there, it was so cold in his office I could barely write.

Is that true about the American bishops at V2? Anyone?

Posted by Amy Welborn

[Grey Ghost II]

Bishop Thomas John Gumbleton

Auxiliary Bishop of Detroit

Titular Bishop of Ululi

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Events

Date	Age	Event	Title
26 Jan 1930		Born	Detroit
2 Jun 1956	26.4	Ordained Priest	Priest of Detroit, Michigan, USA
8 Mar 1968	38.1	Appointed	Auxiliary Bishop of Detroit, Michigan, USA
8 Mar 1968	38.1	Appointed	Titular Bishop of Ululi
1 May 1968	38.3	Ordained Bishop	Titular Bishop of Ululi

Please contact the Bishop through the Archdiocese of Detroit. a priest for years a bishop for years

Principal Consecrator: John Francis Cardinal Dearden † Principal Co-Consecrators: Bishop Alexander Mieceslaus Zaleski † Bishop Joseph Matthew Breitenbeck

Episcopal Lineage / Apostolic Succession: Bishop Thomas John Gumbleton (1968) John Francis Cardinal Dearden † (1948) Amleto Giovanni Cardinal Cicognani † (1933) Raffaele Carlo Cardinal Rossi, O.C.D. † (1920) Gaetano Cardinal De Lai † (1911) Pope St. Giuseppe Melchiorre Sarto † (1884) Lucido Maria Cardinal Parocchi † (1871) Costantino Cardinal Patrizi Naro † (1828) Carlo Cardinal Odescalchi, S.J. † (1823) Giulio Maria Cardinal della Somaglia † (1788) Hyacinthe-Sigismond Cardinal Gerdil, B. † (1777) Marcantonio Cardinal Colonna † (1762) Pope Carlo della Torre Rezzonico † (1743) Pope Prospero Lorenzo Lambertini † (1724) Pope Pietro Francesco (Vincenzo Maria) Orsini de Gravina, O.P. † (1675) Paluzzo Cardinal Paluzzi Altieri Degli Albertoni † (1666) Ulderico Cardinal Carpegna † (1630) Luigi Cardinal Caetani † (1622) Ludovico Cardinal Ludovisi † (1621) Archbishop Galeazzo Sanvitale † (1604) Girolamo Cardinal Bernerio, O.P. † (1586) Giulio Antonio Cardinal Santorio † (1566) Scipione Cardinal Rebiba †

Principal Co-Consecrator of: Bishop Joseph Leopold Imesch Bishop Arthur Henry Krawczak † Bishop Kenneth Edward Untener †

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[St.Chuck]

"But it's so arbitrary - some of them they ignore, but if you are the least bit progressive, they accept it immediately."

Deo gratias. I hope that's true.

[ArrogantBustard]

This man is an idiot.

[onyx]

FGS

[Revel]

He was the only one of Art Bells guests that I ever believed to be truly legit.

[onyx]

BUMP.
Exactly.

[G Larry]

Active gays who take vows of chastity, aren't exactly complying with the commitment they made.