Posted on 03/25/2005 12:29:50 PM PST by DouglasKC
That's an incorrect interpretation of scripture. Colossians 2:16,17 reads:
Col 2:16,17 Then do not let anyone judge you in eating, or in drinking, or in part of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths which are a shadow of coming things, but the body of Christ.
The first thing to notice is that Paul, in inspired scripture, says that holy days and sabbaths ARE shadows of things to come. ARE, not WERE.
The second thing to notice about the verse is that the "judging" wasn't about WHETHER those in the Colossians church were celebrating holy days, but HOW. The Colossians WERE celebrating God's holy days. And many of the Colossians were gentiles, not jews.
Y'shua believes in all the Feast days in G-d's Word!
B'shem Y'shua
chuck
;-)
B'shem Y'shua
chuck
In Col 2:14, Paul talks about the fact that Christ saved us with His sacrifice, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us". In continuing that thought, Paul is telling the Christians there that they should let no one judge them for keeping or not keeping the old ways (Col 2:16-17). Logically, if no one is going to judge us on keeping the old holy days, then there can be no requirement to keep them.
Very poor Exegesis.
B'shem Y'shua
chuck
I remember seeing Him in a December episode of South Park singing "Happy Birthday to Me, Happy Birthday to Me...".
My point is that Paul clearly was saying that keeping those things, such as holy days, were not required of Christians. My wording was probably bad on that statement and for that, I apologize. However, it doesn't change the clear teaching of the text.
B'shem Yshua
chuck
We are actually not talking about Jewish Holidays here. Leviticus chapter 23 establishes the Sabbaths and Feast days for the Israelites....verse 1-2. Moses was also speaking to the other eleven tribes of Israel, not just the Jews(Judah).
He also made sure they understood that these ordinances would last forever(for generations to come)verse 14... Feast of Firstfruits, verse 21... Feast of Weeks, verse 31 includes Feast of Trumpets and The Day of Atonement, and verse 41...Feast of Tabernacles.
I can find nowhere in the scriptures where these lasting ordinances(for generations to come) were done away with. I can find in "Church" history where they attempted to confuse the population and bring in pagan superstitions which allowed most of the citizens to retain their old customs but still claim to be "Christians".
Passover and the seven day Feast of Unleavened Bread had been instituted earliar while still in captivity in Egypt (Exodus Chapter 12).
You are Quoting the book of Colossians, Chapter 2, verse 17.
Did you ever wonder why, Paul, as an apostle to the gentiles would be talking and writing to them about religious festivals and Sabbaths? They were pagan prior to their conversion and had no knowledge of these things! That is...
until Paul instucted them in how these Festivals and Sabbaths should be observed.
This is why we celebrate the Pagan Feast of Easter:
Constantine, august, to the churches. ...
When the question arose concerning the most holy day of Easter, it was decreed by common consent to be expedient, that this festival should be celebrated on the same day by all, in every place. ... it seemed to every one a most unworthy thing that we should follow the custom of the Jews in the celebration of this most holy solemnity, who, polluted wretches! having stained their hands with a nefarious crime, are justly blinded in their minds. It is fit, therefore, that, rejecting the practice of this people, we should perpetuate to all future ages the celebration of this rite, in a more legitimate order, which we have kept from the first day of our Lord’s passion even to the present times. Let us then have nothing in common with the most hostile rabble of the Jews. We have received another method from the Saviour. A more lawful and proper course is open to our most holy religion. In pursuing this course with a unanimous consent, let us withdraw ourselves, my much honored brethren, from that most odious fellowship. ... As it is necessary that this fault should be so amended that we may have nothing in common with the usage of these parricides and murderers of our Lord; and so that order is most convenient which is observed by all the churches of the West, as well as those of the southern and northern parts of the world, and also by some in the East, it is judged therefore to be most equitable and proper, and I pledged myself that this arrangement should meet your approbation, viz. that the custom which prevails with one consent in the city of Rome, and throughout all Italy, Africa and Egypt, in Spain, Gaul, Britain, Lybia, the whole of Greece, the diocese of Asia, Pontus and Cilicia, would be gladly embraced by your prudence, ... and to have no fellowship with the perjury of the Jews. And, to sum up the whole in a few words, it is agreeable to the common judgment of all, that the most holy feast of Easter should be celebrated on one and the same day (A Historical View of THE COUNCIL OF NICE; with a TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENTS by Rev. Isaac Boyle, D.D.; T Mason and G Lane, New York, 1839; pp. 51-54).
This post-Nicean letter from the emperor, Constantine I (306-337 CE), should further illustrate the kind of calendrical problem with which we are confronted.
From
http://www.ccg.org/english/s/p195.html
B’shem Y’shua
chuck
"There is no need for additional, special "Christian holidays".
Are you saying we should get rid of extra days set aside to worship and praise God??? HOLY DAY - holiday...
What do you mean by "necessary"? What is wrong with going beyond "necessary"? When you love, do you only do what is "necessary"?
The Jews had no problem with remembering and thanking God throughout the year on days other than the Sabbath. Catholicism is a FULFILLMENT of Judaism, not a replacement or abrogation. So, we should continue to have holidays throughout the year, other than Sunday, to remind us of God.
Regards
I think there is a verse that says that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. The sabbath is not the first day of the week.
Or God could be washing His hands of those that refuse His Commandments. He did say He was giving us a choice between Life and death.
We are commanded to keep the Sabbath holy. That is the day that Jesus observed, too. No other day was set apart.
Luke 6: 5 And He was saying to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
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