Posted on 03/25/2005 12:29:50 PM PST by DouglasKC
Nice catch. I love that scripture and the image it presents. This is a prophecy of the kingdom of God after Christ returns to earth. God does not change. His feast days are past, present and future.
http://www.settel.org/
Tomorrow I have been invited to a Purim potluck and play at Congregation Yeshuat Tsion here in Denver.
http://www.yeshuattsion.org/
B'shem Y'shua
chuck
Glad to hear you had a good day. Our sermon focused on how all of us are to blame for the death of Christ...an appropriate message as the Passover season approaches.
Our sins are forgiven by Christ's sacrifice. That is represented by Passover.
God's Holy Days represent God's plan of salvation for mankind.
God does not want us to continue in sin after our sins are forgiven.
Rom. 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
God's 2nd step in His plan of salvation is represented by the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Unleavened bread is flat, not puffed up. It is a humble bread that pictures sinlessness.
The Feast of Unleavened Bread represents our putting sins out of our life so that we may have a closer walk with God.
That is why Paul talked about the Feast of Unleavened Bread in relationship with taking measures against the fornicator.
While He walked on earth, I think that would be the Jewish ones, the ones before the Messiah was the passover sacrifice, before our Saviour's death and resurrection.
Is this where you wish to freeze His Church, and its religious observance? To the point before His sacrifice, before the Lamb of God? Freeze history here and there is no passion, sacrifice and resurrection of Christ and no future of the His Body.
Better to ask "What Religious Days Does the Body of Christ Observe?"
Well, for a start, Jesus should have washed his hands before eating.
If God's holy days were observed without the truth or understanding that the messiah has come and will return then I might agree with you.
The holy days actually shadow and portend significant events for Judaism and Christianity.
For example, Passover represents the death of Christ on the cross:
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
The Days of Unleavened Bread represents the life of a person after accepting Christ. The physical act of removing leavening represents and reminds us of the spiritual attitude of removing sin from our lives. Examining ourselves for sin (leavening) and removing it from our lives.
Another example: The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) represents the 2nd coming of Christ, at the last trump:
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded (his trumpet); and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
I hope that helps. For further reference, see God's Holy Day Plan.
This year in Jerusalem at noon of the day that will become the Feast of Trumpets there will be a Solar Eclipse !
Thank you L-rd !
B'shem Y'shua
chuck
The holy days actually shadow and portend significant events…
No, they mark events that have already happened.
The jewish holy days commemorate major historical events in the history of the jews. Passover commemorates - Passover. The Exodus from Egypt.
This is what the jews of Jesus's time on earth observed. And what they observe now. That one. Ask any jew.
What is the jewish religious day celebrating the resurrection of the Messiah? None.
There was no celebration of this at the time of Jesus's human incarnation. Which is why celebrating only those events would either make us jews or freeze our religion and church before the time of the risen Christ. Our religious observances are different than the jews of Jesus's time. Because our history is different.
So, unlike the jews of Jesus's time or today, we celebrate the Passover Sacrifice of Christ, a different passover than jews celebrate. Christians celebrate the resurrection of the Messiah, Christ. Last night and today we celebrate it.
I wish you would join us, in the history and wonder or this Christian religious celebration.
So you see no signifcane in the fact that Paul calls Jesus Christ our Passover? You also don't see any connection between the Passover lamb and Jesus Christ? Those with the blood of the lamb were spared death in Egypt and those with the blood of the lamb now are spared death?
You don't see any significange in the fact that God poured out his holy spirit on Pentecost...a "Jewish" festival?
This is what the jews of Jesus's time on earth observed. And what they observe now. That one. Ask any jew. What is the jewish religious day celebrating the resurrection of the Messiah? None.
That would be because Jews don't believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah. In addition, the Jewish religion doesn't own God's holy days.
So, unlike the jews of Jesus's time or today, we celebrate the Passover Sacrifice of Christ, a different passover than jews celebrate. Christians celebrate the resurrection of the Messiah, Christ. Last night and today we celebrate it.
That's all well and good, but it's not what Jesus Christ did.
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Jesus Christ thought that the Passover was so important that it was one of the things he wished to celebrate before his passion.
I wish you would join us, in the history and wonder or this Christian religious celebration.
If that history did not make the word of God of no effect then I wouldn't have a problem observing it. But for now I'm going to do what God said to do and what Jesus Christ did.
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
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B'shem Y'shua
chuck
If I grant you that Passover "portends" the sacrifice of Christ, if you celebrate it in this manner you are denying it has already happened. Jews don't celebrate the portending of the Exodus from Egypt. Christians don't celebrate the portending of the risen Christ.
And, of course Christianity grew from judaism. You are missing the "grew" part.Your passover celebration, if you follow the jewish one, does not celebrate the risen Christ - only the portending.
I'm going to do what God said to do and what Jesus Christ did.
Then you would drink your last wine on a cross and say, "It is finished." This is a facetious argument. Jesus's death and resurrection is what we celebrate. Of course, Jesus did not participate in a religious celebration during his life that celebrates events after His life.
Once again your church freezes history before the most important event in Christianity. Your church is but a new one - not an old one.
You mean I have to start buying Matzoh? :)
Agreed.
If I grant you that Passover "portends" the sacrifice of Christ, if you celebrate it in this manner you are denying it has already happened. Jews don't celebrate the portending of the Exodus from Egypt. Christians don't celebrate the portending of the risen Christ.
Passover not only portended the sacrifice of Christ, but he commanded us to observe it as a remembrance of his sacrifice:
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
He instituted the symbols of the wine and bread ON Passover. Then you would drink your last wine on a cross and say, "It is finished." This is a facetious argument. Jesus's death and resurrection is what we celebrate. Of course, Jesus did not participate in a religious celebration during his life that celebrates events after His life.
Because Jesus Christ had already created all of the holy days that mankind would ever need. Passover portended and remembers his death, trumpets portends his 2nd coming, tabernacles portends his earthly rule in the millenium. God didn't need man to invent any days to remember him...he already did it. God had plenty of opportunities to tell us that we should have new holy days, but he didn't.
Because Jesus was the lamb of God, the Messiah, He became the Passover Sacrifice. It is our day to worship Him, becasue he came, He Saved us from our sins, if we worship hi Him and nother.
All Christians know the way to God the Father is through Jesus and Jesus alone.
God the Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit that bonds us to Him.
Ops4 God BLess America!
The church I belong to is the body of Christ. It is not an organization, but the spiritual body of believers who follow the teachings of Christ and believe on him for salvation. This is the same church established in Acts 2 and that is the church of which I am a member.
I do attend worship services with the United Church of God. United was formed by approximately 20,000 former members of the Worldwide Church of God. Corporately, United can be considered new since it was incorporated in 1995.
But I'll celebrate at the end of April.
B'shem Y'shua
chuck
As long as you celebrate in Yeshua's Glory over all that is evil and death itself.
God Bless you brother of the Word that became Messiah.
Ops4 God BLess America and Israel!
You're posting was very interestign, and gives me worthwhile leads. However, I must note:
You're exerpt is from someone who uses the word, "Romish." The use of a non-standard perjorative doesn't speak well of someone's frame of references when they make unfounded assertions ("we have reason to believe...") Of the groups they identify, there is much better reason to quabble than what would be merely ad-hominem:
I think you'll certainly agree that the Cathari aren't Christian, given the denial of the divinity of Christ.
Of the Passiginian, they are plainly Judaizers, whether or not they circumcised, and from my limited understanding, were a short-lived an local phenomenon.
A.H. Newman regularly admits that the Ethiopes did keep Sunday. Their use of Saturday as a day of rest is not far from our concept of "weekend;" Copts certainly keep the day of Resurrection, Sunday, as most Holy.
As to Chaldean Catholics (A non-Latin rite of the Roman Church) and the Armenian (An Eastern Orthodox branch), I can attest from personal witness that they keep Sunday holy.
I am ignorant as to the ancient Chinese Christians, but remain dubious given the above facts.
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