Posted on 01/25/2005 5:56:05 AM PST by Catholic54321
"Orthodoxy follows the formulations of St. Ignatius of Antioch who wrote that the bishop stands in the place of Christ, the priests in the place of the apostles."
Ahem!!!!!
Check your texts again friend! According to St. Ignatius it is the DEACONS who stand in the place of Christ, the Bishop in the place of the Father, and the priests in the place of the apostles!
At least one saint had his priorities right!
;)
As usual I stand corrected and humbled in the presence of your nearly always superior knowledge! :) Odd you should suddenly show up here. I was just writing to a lurker on this thread... and took your name in vain at least twice!
"The point is the priest's presence in the Divine space is in conflict with the purpose of marriage, -- which is to restore a proximity to the Divine space of the Garden where the three-way communion between man, woman and God was intact."
Nonsense. Marriage is the first Covenantal union between man, woman and God which has been raised to the status of a Sacrament by Christ.
Adam was THE FIRST PRIEST and prior to the fall, the priest par excellence, and he was so at the same time as which he was married. There is no theological conflict between priesthood and marriage whatsoever. To suggest that there is a conflict is a heresy, as it is a denial of the inerrancy of both Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition.
"So with all of your altar girls, what are you and your priests doing to foster vocations and a Catholic spirituality in young men?"
Good point. With all these girls and women now on the altar, this feminine atmosphere hardly encourages men to become priests.
Anti-Catholic Troll HUnter Ping!!!!!!!
In #74 and #76 you can see where the Church, from Leo the Great to John Paul II saw a deep contradiction between priesthood and marriage.
What sacrifice did Adam offer? Understand that priesthood is meaningless before the Fall.
Well, how could priestly celibacy last for so many years and the number of priests not go into a dangerous level, until the latter half of the 20th century. All the other years are proof that celibacy worked.
stop pinging me.
And what of the keys given to St. Peter (yes, hes a saint)?
"I was just writing to a lurker on this thread... and took your name in vain at least twice!"
I know - your angel told mine all about it!!!
Your morally relative argument may make sense to your feelings - does the Church also require adulturer clergy, divorced clergy, homosexual clergy, pedophile clergy, etcetera -all to administer different flavors of Truth that are not defined and require temporal revelation?
Yet, in other christian religions their church leaders do marry but still serve God as members of their community.
Again, morally relative argument... Partial Truth held by pagan or dissenting "christian religions" can not contravene Church teaching. Truth can not contravene Truth -if other "christian religions" contradict Church teaching they are false -they are not new innovative models of Truth...
stop your incessant need to spam this discussion with material not on topic.
HO, HO!; Mine speaks Gaelic; does yours?
The Church disagrees.
Another example is the freedom enjoyed by priests of the Oriental and Greek church to remain married to their wives after their ordination (see can. Aliter, dist. 31 and chap. Cum olim, de Clericis Conjugatis). Considering that this practice was at variance neither with divine nor natural law, but only with Church discipline, the popes judged it right to tolerate this custom, which flourished among Greeks and Orientals, rather than to forbid it by their apostolic authority, to avoid giving them a pretext to abandon unity. So does Arcudius assess the matter (Concordia bk. 7, chap. 33). (Benedict XIV, Allatae Sunt)Notwithstanding all this, We do not wish that what We said in commendation of clerical celibacy should be interpreted as though it were Our mind in any way to blame, or, as it were, disapprove the different discipline legitimately prevailing in the Oriental Church. What We have said has been meant solely to exalt in the Lord something We consider one of the purest glories of the Catholic priesthood; something which seems to us to correspond better to the desires of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and to His purposes in regard to priestly souls. (Pius XI, Ad Catholici Sacerdotii)
Perfect and perpetual continence for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven, commended by Christ the Lord ... is not demanded by the very nature of the priesthood, as is apparent from the practice of the early Church and from the traditions of the Eastern Churches. where, besides those who with all the bishops, by a gift of grace, choose to observe celibacy, there are also married priests of highest merit. This holy synod, while it commends ecclesiastical celibacy, in no way intends to alter that different discipline which legitimately flourishes in the Eastern Churches. (Second Vatican Council, Presbyerorum Ordinis, 16)
protestant preacher, Your purpose is self evident -your banning is imminent...
I would suggest you start your own dissenting gospel on it's head thread...
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