Jesus' Teaching on God's Law

Jesus Christ: The Real Story ^ | 2004 | Various

[kosta50]

Good post! Essential differences made glaringly obvious.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

No, you poor thing, Wikipedia selected it for me as referenced under "Jews and Gentiles."

I didn't think you were capable yourself.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

It's time for your medication.

Thank you. That's probably a nice way of saying you'd like to gas me. How thoughtful.

[ET(end tyranny)]

You know darn well they burn those they disagree with. ;)

It is interesting though that they think Jesus was degenerate. He did live according to the law.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

You know darn well they burn those they disagree with. ;) i>

Hehe. I don't think they do personally but when some of their ignorant ideas are accepted in society ya gotta look out for the lunatic fringe.

[DouglasKC]

Of course, according to you, the rabbis who spent their entire lives studying the Scriputres just didn't get it right -- until you came along with your gnostic knowledge. You keep saying they added, and they say what was added is already there and in agreement with the Torah. Somehow, I am willing to bet that they know what they are talking about.

Jesus Christ himself knew that the rabbi's didn't get it right! It's one of the pivotal conflicts of the gospels.

Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mat 15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

It almost seems like now you're just arguing to be contrary.

[DouglasKC]

Anyone who claims to I be a Christian but believes he must keep the laws listed in the first five books of the Bible has been led astray.

Let me put it this way...anyone who willfully and knowingly believes that they can violate the 10 commandments (sin) is not a Christian and has been led astray.

[1 spark]

At least Paul admits that he doesn't have a commandment, but only permission (1 Cor 7:6,25). How many others have added their own judgment believing they had permission? How many others have been misquoted, misunderstood or just made things up? If human nature, being imperfect and thoroughly fallen is any guide, I would say even the best of them have done it. Paul admits it.

Yeah, he admits to this, too. (Wonder if he had permission.):

If through my lies God’s truth abounds to His glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? (Rom. 3.7)

"I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, that I might gain them that are without law. ... I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel's sake" (1 Cor. 9.19-23)

In every way, whether in PRETENSE or truth, Jesus is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice. (Phil 1:18)

I ROBBED other churches, taking wages [of them] that I might minister unto you (2 Corinthians, 11:8)

[1 spark]

RE: Judaism does not require faith in order for someone to be acceptable to God. Christianity does. Your pick.

Constantinian Christianity asks me to believe that "God created humankind with free will and the ability to sin then demanded superlative perfection from this imperfect being that He created. Then God took on the guise of humanity in the form of Jesus in order to rescue His imperfect creation." OTOH, Rabbi Jesus,(a JEW who followed JUDAISM) asks us to love God, love our neighbor as ourself, and to REPENT when we sin.

I choose the latter.

If they wanted to preach goodness of God to other nations, they sure had plenty of opportunity in the last 6,000 years or so.

LOL! There ya go again...indifferent to their history which you choose to ignore. So be it. But don't worry Kosta, nowadays (ain't freedom wonderful!?) they're telling anyone who is interested all about God and what they believe. There are all kinds of websites and books that clearly, and beautifully, explain their belief for those interested....whether it be the devout Jew, the nominal Jew, the messianic Jew, the curious outsider, or those seeking to convert. Most of that information is a simple click away....available for those who seek.

[1 spark]

UNITARJEWMIANISM

[kosta50]

Constantinian Christianity asks me to believe that "God created humankind with free will and the ability to sin then demanded superlative perfection from this imperfect being that He created

I am only stating what's in the Torah:

"Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them." [DT 27:26]

And you think God made mankind and then regretted His decision because He didn't know what a wretched bunch we would be? But you believe that God took the guise of a burning bush and taught Moses a few tricks? Obviously, things are not that simple.

[kosta50]

Not arguing to the contrary, just reminding you of your statement that Jewish law (Halacha) had nothing to do with God's laws.

[kosta50]

That's probably a nice way of saying you'd like to gas me

No, I would like you to get well.

[kosta50]

Your quotes are out of context (of course). In Rom 3:7 he establishes the simple fact that we are all sinners even if we do good, whether for honest or dishonest reasons. Nothing we do diminishes our sinfulness or God's glory.

You use the same out-of-context approach in Philippians. In context

"It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice." [Phil 1:15-18]

No comment needed to show your deliberate distortions in #178. The only one you are deceiving is yourself.

[kosta50]

#178 should read #208

[Invincibly Ignorant]

No, I would like you to get well.

Thank you. And I would like you to deal with your hatred of Jews.

[k2blader]

I was referring to what the article specifically states: "'The Law' referred to the first five books of the Bible, the books of Moses in which God's laws were written down."

Which Christians today follow Levitical law?

I believe the 10 Commandments are part of the Moral Law. However, even murderers can attain forgiveness and salvation through Jesus Christ.

[Ciexyz]

btt

[Buggman]

A fascinating and excellent post. You wouldn't happen to be Messianic, would you?

I'll hop back in and comment later if I can.