Posted on 01/07/2005 7:47:31 PM PST by DouglasKC
Doug you have some kind of a gnostic religion . You assume that in the 1900+ years since Christ the Church was all wrong... the secret is really in the lost tribes and law keeping and a denial of the trinity.....etc etc...
The Gospels are Old testament . The entirety of the gospels is Old Testament. they functioned and lived under the law.
The New testament began at the death and resurrection of Christ . Paul taught that men were free from the law .
The heavens have opened Doug, the curtain rent, a sheet has been lowered to show you that there is no more clean and unclean
The words of Christ ring out with the only Holy remembrance He has ordained ... "Do this in memory of me"
The passover was gone, and in its place a new remembrance.
So you can go back and try to please God and try to be holy by redoing what He has called finished . It will not save you, it does not make you holy to doubt the work of Christ..
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
By placing yourself under the law, you now must do the impossible... you now must keep it PERFECTLY , you will be judged as you have chosen. Not on the perfectness of Christi or His righteousness.. but by your inability to keep it PERFECTLY and you will fail Doug
Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
The purpose of the law was to show us we needed a Saviour.
Gal 3:24 — Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Doug, your righteousness is as filthy rags before our holy God
I chose Christ !!
That's funny. I'm aware of about 13,000,000 that would doubt this. That number would probably be about 250,000,000 if they wouldn't have kept getting snuffed out.
Judaism has always allowed for gentiles to know God. Judaism considers all nations as God's children. Christianity considers only believers to be God's children and everyone else damned. Monopoly? I believe you point the finger in the wrong direction.
That's double talk my friend. Jews weren't allowed to speak or eat with Gentiles, let alone learn about God. Except for Septuagint, practially all the books were written in Hebrew, and known only by select few. So, how were the Children of, God other than Hebrews, learn about Him?
That's bullcrap and you know it. Look at Kings David and Solomon and their dealings with the nations. A whole bunch of non-jews built the Temple for crying out loud. All thru the Hebrew scriptures there are interactions with gentiles. Your anti-semetic attitude gets quite annoying.
Its ironic that you're concerned about the lack of Hebrew Books in existence. They probably would have been burned anyway by your church fathers.
Invincbly Ignorant Your anti-semetic attitude gets quite annoying
You are one very sick puppy, IMHO.
I have not seen you in a while . Does this mean you are now Jewish?
I have forgotten what you were the last time we talked.
Now to the question. There were lots of men that built the Microsoft headquarters that did not become computer engineers in the process.
God was not confused. He knew who HIS people were in the Old Testament and he knew who he was talking to .
Much of the "interaction" was the slaying of the pagan nations at Gods command, then there was the avoidance of the Samaritans by going miles out of their way to avoid them
Remember Peter did not want to go to the house of Cornelius, as he was unclean . Remember the reaction of the disciples to that visit?
Act 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
Act 11:3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
God used that occasion to show the disciples that there was no more clean or unclean
This isn't because of anything that was in the bible or God's law. There is no such injunction in scripture. The problem was that the jews of the time ADDED to scripture. This is why I keep saying that you confuse scripture with Jewish tradition. I'm sure there are Jews who actually followed scripture. Paul comes to mind.
Fortunately not ALL of Christianity believes this...
RUTH AND NAOMI
"Your People Shall Be My People, and Your God My God" (Ruth 1:16)
In four simple Hebrew words, Ruth, a Moabite woman who wishes to convert to Judaism, describes the essence of what it means to be a Jew. "Ameikh ami, ve'Elo-hai-ikh Elo-hai - Your people shall be my people, and your God my God."
Three thousand years after she spoke these words, this inseparable fusion of peoplehood and religion continues to distinguish Judaism from other faiths.
At first blush, one might think Ruth a peculiar candidate to become a biblical hero. She was a Moabite, and Moab was a longtime enemy of Israel. She was married to a Jew, but didn't become one until after her husband's death.
When Ruth's husband died in Moab, her mother-in-law, Naomi, decided to return to Israel, where she had originally lived. Ruth accompanied her on the journey, repeatedly rejecting Naomi's fervent appeals that she stay in her native land with her native gods, and remarry. "Wherever you go, I will go," she tells her mother-in-law. "Wherever you lodge, I will lodge...Where you die, I will die" (1:16-17), The friendship of the two women becomes as much a biblical model of friendship as that of David and Jonathan.
A short time later, after they arrive in Israel, Naomi instigates Ruth's marriage to Boaz, Naomi's cousin. Three generations later, the descendant of that marriage is David (4:17), destined to be the king of Israel and the ancestor of the Messiah.
The Book of Ruth has long served as an important antidote for any Jew prone to exaggeratedly nationalistic leanings. How chauvinist can one become in a religion that traces its Messiah to a non-Jewish convert to Judaism?
source: Jewish Literacy by Rabbi Hoseph Teleushkin, page 98
I can't imagine why you're disagreeing with this statement and launching into an attack.
The Gospels are Old testament . The entirety of the gospels is Old Testament. they functioned and lived under the law.
And with one wave of your hand you're completely free to disregard or ignore everything Jesus said and taught in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Wow.
Hi Douglas. Nice to see you.
Regarding: "Fortunately not ALL of Christianity believes this..."
Unfortunately though, traditional(Constantinian) Christianity teaches that outsiders are not saved. There may be a few sects or (many?) individuals who disagree with that...but they are labeled heretics/apostates of the "true" church if differing viewpoints are expressed.
RE: "The OT is not obsolete; its interpretation and practices are."
Spoken like a true Constantinian Christian!
ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY IS WHETHER OR NOT THE LAWS THAT GOD GAVE MOSES, TO TEACH TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, ARE STILL IN EFFECT TODAY. IN THIS SECTION I WILL BE DEMONSTRATING HOW MUCH IMPORTANCE GOD PUTS ON HIS LAWS AND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS (FOR ME) TO EVER THINK GOD WOULD NO LONGER WANT HIS LAWS FOLLOWED.
Clear explanation at source:
http://www.mindspring.com/~sjayg7/sample.htm
meant to ping you to #115 too.
I know that God guarantee's all of Judah and Israel will be saved. I also know that God says that you must believe that Jesus was the Christ and that he died for humanity:
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
As for the details, God will work it out. I think that is what Revelation chapter 20 describes.
So you do not think one needs FAITH in Christ to be saved?
That is why Kosta and I have been telling you that your church teaches men are saved by the law and not grace... you have tipped your churches hand
BTW porfessing Christianity does not consider the World Wide Church of Christ as a part of professing Christianity because of the denial of the trinity ...
Can you post the verse where YHWH says that?
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Isaiah 49:26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine; and all flesh shall know that I YHWH am thy Saviour, and thy Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.
The only Saviour is YHWH.
Doug you have called in the troops but the troops have disclosed that law keeping is the mode of salvation you favor, in spite of your protests .
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